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but that won't work with interactive flash thingies like menus or
slideshows, not mentioning games or anything - only videos would be
supported, and flash is far more than that...

2010/2/11  <Support@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> has anyone looked into using mplayer for flash content.... i believe there
> maybe use a plugin that lets you click to watch then launches mplayer...
> just a thought to have flash without flash
>
> Ronnie,
> Buntfu.com
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>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:59:11 -0000, Mikhail Maksimov <mcwillin@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> I've resurrected an ancient PC to try Lubuntu. Celeron 400 MHz, 256 Mb
>> RAM and a 20 Gb PATA HDD. Here's my impression of running different
>> browsers on the specified hardware.
>>
>> Tried this on my machine 266MHz PII, 128MB 66MHz ECC RAM, 6.4GB UDM2 HDD
>> Only tested Midori so far, will try others tomorrow.
>>
>> Testing method:
>> 1. Install Lubuntu from Lucid alpha2 preview2 iso.
>> As above fully updated as of 10:20 UTC 2010/2/10
>>
>> 2. Install additional browsers (Chromium, Midori, Arora) from default
>> Lucid repos.
>> 3. For each of the four available browsers, measure startup time and
>> memory usage on a freshly-booted machine (no executables cached), with
>> homepage set to about:blank (no downloading/rendering on startup).
>> 4. For each of the four available browsers, try to load three tabs:
>> - open google.com, search for "Lubuntu";
>> - open my gmail account, navigate to a 47-letters thread in
>> lubuntu-desktop list ("default browser" discussion), hit "expand all"
>> and wait for all to expand;
>> - open http://www.rbc.ru, a news site in Russian with several Flash
>> banners on the start page.
>> 5. Examine memory usage afterwards.
>>
>> All memory usage numbers are listed as reported by Xfce4 Taskmanager
>> with default settings (ie, with "Show memory used by cache as free"
>> option active). These values are total numbers, including any memory
>> used by system. A freshly-booted system with just taskmanager running
>> reports 50..58 Mb RAM used.
>>
>> Startup times and memory usage after loading (homepage is about:blank,
>> if applicable):
>> Firefox: 13 seconds, 85 Mb.
>> Chromium: 8..10 s, 81 Mb.
>> Arora: 12 s, 78 Mb.
>> Midori: 17 s, 108 Mb.
>>
>> Midori: 23 s, 75MB
>>
>>
>> Common problems noticed:
>> 1. Standard Gmail interface is slow. After initializing, it occupies
>> about half CPU capacity constantly. Occasionally, several  seconds'
>> delays happen just as I type this text.
>> 2. Flash literally kills everything.  Several gtk-gnash processes take
>> up all CPU power the machine has. Several times, I had to wait for
>> more than 10 minutes (!) until taskmanager window gets redrawn and I'm
>> able to see memory usage.
>>
>> Arora problem: never finished expanding the 47 messages thread. "Still
>> Working" message remains shown for more than 10 minutes, and there are
>> about 15 messages not expanded.
>>
>> Firefox problem: while expanding 47 messages, gmail shows
>> "unresponsive script" warning at least once. Apparently, the script is
>> suspended until the user makes a choice, so the loading process needs
>> close user attention.
>>
>> Midori: initially, gmail did not identify it as a fully compatible
>> browser and loaded a reduced "compatible" interface. However, after
>> changing the reported browser type to Firefox in preferences, no
>> problems encountered with the full version of gmail interface.
>>
>> Same problem and solution
>>
>> Memory usage with three tabs loaded:
>> Firefox: 150..160 Mb.
>> Arora: 175..185 Mb.
>> Midori: 175..185 Mb.
>> Chromium: 135..145 Mb.
>>
>> Midori: 74MB
>>
>> Conclusion: on low-grade hardware, flash and script-rich pages are
>> painfully slow regardless of the browser. On less than 192 Mb RAM, you
>> are likely to experience swapping with several pages opened in any
>> browser.
>>
>> Given the available options, my vote is for Chromium *and* disabling
>> flash by default. Best is to start playing flash only after the user
>> clicks on it, however I'm not sure if it's possible without hacking
>> the browser code.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mikhail
>>
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