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[Julien Lavergne <gilir@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks. I'll keep a copy of this notes, It will be useful when the work
on accessibility will start :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

Le Tuesday 24 May 2011 à 23:58 +0100, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rob Whyte <fudge@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tue, May 24, 2011 at 8:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Lubuntu and Accessibility
> To: Phill Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
> Hi guys,
> in my own efforts to get orca better with LXDE I conversed with Klaus
> Knopper the author of Knoppix.
> I have put his notes below..
> I also tried with nto much success to try and figure out why orca did
> not work with thunar though it claims to have great gtk support.
> Please find notes below and hope it is helpful.
> 
> export SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN="gtk" GTK_MODULES="gail:atk-bridge"
> before starting a GTK program makes it aware of orca as screenreader.
> You need to start orca as well, of course.
> 
> The panel containing the menu (lxpanel in our case) will send the
> "highlighted" menu item to orca automatically if the two variables
> mentioned before are set before starting lxpanel. The tricky part is
> to
> pop up the menu without the mouse. Unfortunately, lxpanel does not
> have a
> "hotkey" for this on its own, but the command "lxpanelctl menu" will
> notify lxpanel to show the menu. Now you add this command to the
> window
> managers hotkey list (which is different in compiz-fusion and
> metacity),
> and you are there. Once the hotkey (Alt-F1 in Knoppix) is pressed,
> lxpanelctl menu will be called, and the menu pops up.
> 
> I did not find a way yet to browse through the dock icons in lxpanel,
> though it must be possible somehow, since using the mouse will focus
> the
> icons and lets orca speak them. Maybe, just the internal link between
> icons and a hotkey for selecting them is missing.
> 
> pcmanfm works quite well with orca, though the "desktop background"
> version of it is not very talkative. If you start the windowed version
> of pcmanfm, you can switch between canvases with eithger TAB or the
> cursor keys (sometimes it's not very intuitive to understand which one
> to use).
> 
> It should be possible, yet I'm unsure how to make the desktop manager
> part of pcmanfm put the focus on the first icon on the desktop. Once
> one
> item has the focus, you can browse through the desktop icons with the
> cursor keys.
> surely pcmanfm
> could need some accessibility enhancements concerning hotkeys and
> their
> documentation.
> 
> in regards to accessing the panel,
> The only way I found so far is the "lxpanelctl" command which is to be
> called by the window manager. Alt-F1 pops up the menu in Knoppix.
> 
> The hotkey modifications for compiz-fusion and metacity concerning the
> lxpanel menu is present in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/45knoppix. Here is an
> excerpt:
> 
> --
> 
> case "$STARTUP" in
>  *lxde|lx*) # Need to change Alt_F1 and Alt_F2 hotkeys in order to
> make LXDE menu accessible
>  sed -i -e 's/as_main_menu_key *=.*$/as_main_menu_key = Disabled/g' \
>         -e 's/as_run_command0_key *=.*$/as_run_command0_key =
> <AltF1/g' \
>         -e 's/as_command0 *=.*$/as_command0 = lxpanelctl menu/g' \
>            "$HOME/.config/compiz/compizconfig/Default.ini" 2/dev/null
>  gconftool --type string \
>            --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/panel_main_menu
> disabled \
>            --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/panel_run_dialog
> disabled \
>            --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_1
> '<AltF1' \
>            --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_2
> '<AltF2' \
>            --set /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_1
> 'lxpanelctl menu' \
>            --set /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_2
> 'lxpanelctl run'
>  ;;
>  *) # Change Alt-F1 back when not running lxde
>  sed -i -e 's/as_main_menu_key *=.*$/as_main_menu_key = <AltF1/g' \
>            "$HOME/.config/compiz/compizconfig/Default.ini" 2/dev/null
>  gconftool --type string \
>            --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/panel_main_menu
> '<AltF1' \
>            --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/panel_run_dialog
> '<AltF2'
>  ;;
> esac
> 
> --
> 
> Of course this can also be set manually in gconf-editor
> (metacity/gnome) or ccsm (compiz-fusion).
> 
> Klaus Knopper
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 23/05/11 19:58, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>         Hiyas,
>         
>         much has happened recently, including lubuntu getting
>         clearance for full
>         adoption at 11.10 by Canonical. Whilst I have quietly pushed
>         accessibility (well, maybe not so quietly) as a part of
>         lubuntu, we now
>         need a bit of help off this team.
>         
>         Our specification of the minimal hardware it will run on
>         cannot be
>         broken, nor can our commitment to pre i686 processors.
>         https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
>         
>          From a general chat to our head of development on lubuntu, he
>         is of the
>         opinion that if the code is really (and I mean really) tight,
>         that it
>         would be possible to include within the very tight constraints
>         that we
>         are committed to be able to uphold the inclusion of
>         accessibility and
>         has agreed that we should really strive to attain this.
>         
>         We are short of devs who can dedicate resources to this task,
>         so I ask
>         that any of you who can assist do so. I'd really like to see
>         lubuntu
>         11.10 come out with as much accessibility as is possible on "
>         A Pentium
>         II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM is probably a
>         bottom-line
>         configuration that may yield slow yet usable system with
>         Lubuntu"
>         
>         So, once you've all had your heart attacks and say it cannot
>         be done...
>         the ones who go "hmmm, that is actually possible.." Please
>         make your
>         selves known.
>         
>         Regards,
>         
>         Phill.
>         
>         --
>         https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
>         
>         
> 
> 
> 
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