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Re: Accessibility


Aloha ka po'e apau,

I don't "know" how much Gnome Orco would pull into Lubuntu, but at least
it's GTK based afaik. Otherwise that python-espeak might be something
I personally think that taking in compiz (even the 2d version) would make
Lubuntu to bloated for low-level hardware (as apt-xapian-index was even too
much according to some).
As far as dasher, we should let someone with low-level hardware (like
Julien) test to see how it fares, but same could be said about compiz 2d.
For the mouse-tweaks I've got no suggestions. I could probably look into the
high-low contrast theme from Xubuntu to see if it would be easy to convert
them to Lubuntu. GTK3 style of course. (No experience with GTK3 themes,
especially when in OpenBox)

I'll read the full log later. But these were my 2c.

With metta,

Chris Druif

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 00:57, Phill Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hiyas mate,
> (If I can still call you that).
> Seems to have been getting a bit frustrating. I'm sorry I've not been
> around too much owing to that database recovery, which finally seems to be
> going ok.
> I've had a good chat with charles tonight, with their TL down for hospital
> stuff - that team is also suffering a bit.
> The 'urgent' as asked for is:
> (22:46:48) phillw: All we need, and it is really important, is that
> accessibilty tell us what is "urgent for basic accessibillity ", what is
> "medium term" and what would "be really nice to have".
> (22:46:52) charlie-tca: but as to priorities, how do we set them? Take the
> list pia created, decide what the team is able to add for Oneiric, label the
> rest as O + 1. If Lubuntu can use compiz, users can add the magnifier
> plugin.
> (22:47:06) charlie-tca: If not, try to find a screen magnifier that works
> with it.
> (22:47:16) charlie-tca: okay
> *(22:47:57) charlie-tca: Urgent: Screen-reader, magnifier, on-screen
> keyboard, mouse/switch dwelling settings (mousetweaks) for non-keyboard
> users*
> (22:48:06) phillw: lubuntu has shown itself to be quite capable of taking,
> certainly compiz 2D in. but we do not Unity.
> (22:48:14) charlie-tca: Is all that possible for Oneiric?
> (22:48:49) phillw: Having now the list - i can at least ask!
> (22:48:53) charlie-tca: espeak is a text based screen reader, we need a
> gui based one, too
> (22:49:30) phillw: the author of espeak did a GUI?
> (22:49:46) charlie-tca: I know of two, orca and kaccessible. Kaccessible
> needs qt and kde, orca needs a lot of gnome
> (22:50:11) phillw: give me a few minutes.
> (22:50:43) charlie-tca: We also need both high-contrast and low-contrast
> themes
> (22:51:51) charlie-tca: Ideally, dasher needs to work, since it is the
> best on screen writing program we have at the time.
> (22:51:58) phillw: now, I met this young man again when I joined
> accessibility, he put a GUI out..
> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=33
> (22:52:41) phillw: I was impressed, it still needed a bit opf work, but it
> did work.
> (22:52:52) charlie-tca: Will it work with the monitor turned off?
> (22:53:12) charlie-tca: If we need a sighted person to read the errors, if
> fails
> (22:53:59) phillw: next time you see RainCT on line, ask him!
> (22:54:03) charlie-tca: It has taken me about three years to get a theme
> for Xubuntu that works for visually impaired users
> (22:54:57) charlie-tca: This is what makes setting priorities for a team
> so difficult. We have many needs for handi-capped users, but we can only fix
> one or two at a time.
> (22:55:14) phillw: I have also been given a few projects to have a look at
> by Alan Bell, but relaistically they are a at least 2 cycles away.
> (22:55:32) charlie-tca: According to Canonical, Accessibility in unity
> worked great! According to testing it, it fails miserably. We can't use it.
> (22:56:28) charlie-tca: Two cycles is nothing. If the project fits the
> distribution, you plan for it, and you add those plans to release notes.
> I've added a bit of 'wrap' around that part of the chat, charlie has agreed
> that the entire chat be paste binned. He is a very honourable man, you can
> see some of his own frustrations come out at times. I am proud to be able to
> talk frankly and openly with him. Any genuine enquiries from Lubuntu he will
> endeavour to answer.
> The full chat is at http://pastebin.com/HhdCeC9v
> JM, please bear with me, I've had this heartache before, but at least you
> have now an 'urgent' list and acceptance that it is quite probable you and
> julien do not have a chance of getting any of them in place for 11.10. I'm
> going to switch from chatting to people on accessbility mailing list who
> like to moan to those who have an understanding of 'what is possible given
> the available resources'. It will take a little while to get this sub-team
> together, but I know who I want on it.
> Regards,
> Phill.
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