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[Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>]

Regarding the live-installer/ubiquity requiring 2X "disc space" I'm not sure what you mean, but I notice the actual installed size of / after a live install is somewhere between 2.1GB and 2.2GB, but the installed size after using the alternate (d-i) installer is about 1.9GB.

I've dug around a bit and I can't really see anything that's lacking in the alternate installation, but that seems odd to me. I plan on testing an Ubuntu live install vs an Ubuntu alternate install soon to see if the same applies.

Regarding swap Colin Watson responded to me recently here:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-auto/+bug/782507/comments/7

So work is ongoing :^)

Aside from that using the alternate CD should not be scary to anyone, although I do realize that the cost of an additional CD can be prohibitive to some users, and anything new is always intimating.

While this is written for a dual-boot it's pretty well descriptive:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~herman546/p2.html

But, yeah, it's confusing I guess. Sometime in the near future I'll try to come up with something using the forums so I can post some screenshots. Don't hold your breath though. I must get my kitchen put back together :^)

--- On Sat, 9/3/11, Phill Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Phill Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Bug 775124] Re: Ubiquity should have a command line option to override the free space check
To: lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx, "Jonathan Marsden" <jmarsden@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Julien Lavergne" <gilir@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" <lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 6:27 AM

Hi,
I'll do this not via bug report as it is a 'work around' rather than a fix. In the past we have had the instructions for minimal iso at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu specfically https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall My suggestion is that we re-write the notes to use the alt install so that they are n00b friendly and cover the tricky part of manually partitioning? The pro's for this is that the alt image works, the con's are that it still leaves Ubiquity wanting silly usage of disk & RAM space when it should be fixed, IMHO, in a couple of lines of code as to where JM alluded.

I'd much prefer the 'hack' that caused the regression to be accepted as a regression and a more elegant solution be found to the problem. Simply 'telling' Ubiquity to want 2 X Disk space and 2 X RAM, for me is simply insane. It has been proven that the  2 X disk space is not required https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/11.04MinimalDiskSpace but, with my pragmatic head on and us using the 'official' build system whilst we argue these points out there are people who cannot install.

If we do go for the hand-holding alt instructions, I'd like to also make /home a partition as well. IMHO this would allow the / system to be as small as possible, allow us to factor in depending on RAM the /swap area and then have all the user data on its own partition. For such small disks we are not going to be installing side by side with another system.

Well, those are my thoughts. I look forward to the replies, The battle may have been lost for 11.10, but the war for 12.04 is yet to start. If 12.04 can address the ubiquity issues that affect Lubuntu (and any other low-footprint) then we get a win-win.

Regards,
Phill.


2011/9/3 Erick Brunzell <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>

The Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 1 live-i386 image now says only 3.9GB is

required. I think the Ubuntu image says 4.4GB but I need to recheck

that.



So I started the "automated" install (install alongside) where my blank

4GB flash drive was the only unpartitioned space available, and I have

2GB of RAM, so the installation stalls with the attached warning because

it wants to create about 2GB of swap which leaves an insufficient amount

of disc space for /.



IMHO that's actually OK though, because you're told that clicking on

continue will result in failure, and if you click on back you end up in

the manual partitioning screen.



Lubuntu now also has an alternate install image so I'd think we're OK

here.



I have no 64bit hardware so I can't test the amd64 images.



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Title:

  Ubiquity should have a command line option to override the free space

  check



Status in “ubiquity” package in Ubuntu:

  Triaged

Status in “ubiquity” source package in Oneiric:

  Triaged



Bug description:

  Binary package hint: ubiquity



   I downloaded the 11.04 desktop i386 iso, put it on a usb drive so i

   could it install it on my netbook, but couldnt even get past the

   install screen, because it says i need 4.4GB to install ubuntu 11.04.

   The problem is that my hard drive is only 4GB large, a common size in

   netbooks.  I have run installers for ubuntu 10.10, 10.04, 9.10 and

   9.04 netbook editions on my netbook and never had a problem before.  I

   notice that 11.04 has netbook and desktop editions combined into a

   single ISO, so maybe that is why the error happened in 11.04 and not

   before.



   Also, I notice that the install footprint of 10.10 is around 2.1GB, so

   it shouldnt be a problem running 11.04 unless they truly added 2GB of

   junk to the OS.  The problem is I just can't get past the installer.



  [i am intentionally posting a duplicate of bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/772164 because i can't change the package of

  bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/772164 to ubiquity from netbook]



  ProblemType: Bug

  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04

  Package: ubiquity 2.6.10

  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-8.42-generic 2.6.38.2

  Uname: Linux 2.6.38-8-generic i686

  Architecture: i386

  Date: Sun May  1 20:24:28 2011

  LiveMediaBuild: Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" - Release i386 (20110427.1)

  ProcEnviron:

   LANGUAGE=en_US:en

   LANG=en_US.UTF-8

   SHELL=/bin/bash

  SourcePackage: ubiquity

  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)



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