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[Phill Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Jono,

your favourite pain in the neck.

you wrote a brilliant article on meeting crossroads on your views at
http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/12/19/the-ubuntu-ethos/ For anyone who has not
read it and understood it, the remainder of this will be meaningless.

For ubuntu in general, we are loosing really good people. I'm sure you'd
like to know why....


(19:52:20) xxxxx sort of been drifting to Fedora , where I can be nameless
(19:52:37) phillw: I have a problem with councils... I'll say it straight. A
camel is a two humped beast that has a bad attitude.... comittee devlopment
of a ourse.
(19:53:28) xxxxxx: Well, I do not think highly of #ubuntu, horrible channel,
all manor of bad un-ubuntu behavior there
(19:53:31) phillw: As you konw, I'm going to take the RHCE exam, so already
have fedora on one of my VM's
(19:53:39) xxxxxx: And the CC is almost hand picked
(19:54:00) xxxxx: They take a list of candidates, and select the ones they
want to run
(19:54:30) phillw: Thank you for being so honest. I made my views clear in
the recent ubuntu questionaire.
(19:54:42) xxxxx: You have to be a serious brown nose if you want to raise
up in the Ubuntu ranks, has nothing to do with competence
(19:55:09) xxxxx: If I did not enjoy the forums, and a few friends on IRC, I
would not be active with Ubuntu at all =)
(19:55:24) phillw: I'd lol, if it were not for the fact they are driving
people away.
(19:55:29) xxxxxx: I do not like LP, #ubuntu, or the CC
(19:55:50) xxxxxx: +1 for driving people away, good people
(19:56:21) xxxxxx: That is why Ubuntu is a gateway OS, it is very easy for
new users, but many people migrate to another option after 12-18 months
(19:57:03) phillw: At least is not just me seeing that. and also why I
REALLY do not want lubuntu to fall to 'council'.
(19:58:01) xxxxxx: Well, if you think about it, you either have to fall
under the CC or change your name
(19:58:03) xxxxxxx: your choice
(19:58:17) xxxxx: I went with name change
-- 

This, very experienced person should be listened to. From others I have been
asked to go to debian areas etc.

Jono, one thing from all of this is 'councils', if you wish to chat quietly
we can discuss. One thing lubuntu has not got is a council, the other
council people are circling like vultures to add lubuntu to their list of
domains. It is actually quite abhorrent on the ubuntu-irc-council area. Of
all team areas that I have ever asked for help as lubuntu grew... they said
no. That made me take a step back & re consider things... Then I realised
that we are actually leaking good, dedicated people. And I also realised why
lubuntu actually got there... We don't have a council, we do not vote people
up on popularity competitions. We do not "if you vote for me, I'll vote for
you" which sees the same people on so many 'councils' - How are they
representative of the people who:
1) use it
2) support it.

For a council to state that lubuntu could not have its OP's agreed to, when
we do not need them is beyond a joke & proves what little use they are. We
had, and have a great IRC area long before they appeared.... do we need a
council? No, we do not. We are self governing. We have our discussions on
the mailing list and decide upon things. Then the Devs tell us which ones we
can have; whether programmes, new features, new art-work etc.

Councils? Badges?... I say no, in the early days, we held a vote and said
NO. I really do think that ubuntu in all flavours should be given back to
those who use it & no more the 'behind the doors, closed, committee
meetings'.

As ever,

thanks for reading - I look forward to your comments.

Regards,

Phill.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw