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[Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Paul,

yeah, working out what is 'generic' and lubuntu is really important. Quite
simply, they have more devs than us! It's a shame you missed out on the
call for people qualified to help on the recent request from the government
for the putting together a panel to discuss such things. For schools, the
ubuntu family specifically has edubuntu [1] From every one (all three of
them) I have steered in that direction I have had 100% report back as it is
not just a 'system', it is a community where the poor guy 'allocated' IT
can discuss with others about anything.

My only other discussion re: lubuntu & schools was a couple of years ago
when some one from the african continent asked about the viability of using
lubuntu on a thin blade server as gnome had simply gotten to the point
where the server could not serve the multiple sign ons from what were
pretty "dumb" computers. He took the time out to thank us, as it reduced
the server load by 30% and ensured that they could continue to offer IT
lessons. Each time some one discusses 'old kit', I do remember that chat -
Even though it was a couple of years ago and lasted a couple of days.
Lubuntu made a difference.

All you have to do now is grab some developers for lubuntu! Such is our
team size, a couple of extra people would make a massive difference. For
example, some one familiar with back-porting would get 10.04 updated (the
last release that can support pre i686 chipsets). The desire is there, we
simply are lacking in numbers.

Regards,

Phill.

On 9 March 2012 19:43, Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> If we could fix the dark login screens for the G4s at the cost of giving
> up on the iMacG3's I'd be fine with that. The fact is the desktop iso
> doesn't work for G3's or many G4's. (No boot G3's dark installer screen for
> G4's)
>
> I'm not looking at this just from a Mac angle though.  Their are millions
> of PCs that the Window OS has abandoned, ripe for Lubuntu or equivalent.
> As someone who is personally responsible for overseeing government
> budgets, I'd like to see governments and schools move to Ubuntu, Lubuntu or
> equivalent. Its folks like me you have to reach and convince. Decision
> makers within business and units of governments.
>
> By the way, I'm having problems with the PC side, but don't have the time
> to report the problems, as I am working on three PowerPC Macs at a time.
>
> I have PIII's, PIV's, and Intel-based Macs I've been testing on while my
> other PowerPC installs are happening. And I've started doing some Ubuntu
> installs just to compare the experiences.
>
>  Sincerely,
> Paul Gorski
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx>; lubuntu-qa <
> lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test
>
>  Hi Paul,
>
>  this is lubuntu's first attempt at a Mac release (We only gained
> 'official' status with the 11.10 release, which was only i686 & amn64).
> Pretty much everyone testing has never used iso-tracker[1] before nor
> raised 'official' bug reports. That they have come so far in such a short
> time is a testament to their desire to see lubuntu available for Macs. The
> 12.04 will, no doubt, still be a bit rough round the edges as non of our
> dev team have access to a mac. The fate of lubuntu for Macs falls pretty
> much into the hands of the small but valiant group of testers. Our devs,
> artwork, wiki people etc. will do all they can to ensure that it works,
> looks okay and there is documentation as to how to solve issues that are
> still there at release.
>
>  I am as committed to helping new comers get used to QA testing, and the
> 'main' QA team that over sees all flavours of the ubuntu family are also as
> committed. This is the first release for me where I've been coordinating QA
> issues, and boy oh boy, have I asked a lot of questions! There is a 'rule'
> from Canonical to continue the ppc & Intel-Mac releases but* only* if
> they are seen to be tested, bugs reported and fixed. Consider the 12.04
> lubuntu release as a stable 'Beta', what we learn from getting it to
> release will be taken on board for the 12.10 release.
>
>  I'm mindful of the fact that there are still some pretty big gremlins
> that need sorting - especially for G3 and the knack of installing the
> kernels in the wrong place. These affect all the ubuntu family Mac
> releases, the feed back from the guy who looks after such things is "RAISE
> A BUG!!", reporting by email, IRC, forums etc. does *not* count in
> Canonical's eyes as 'activity'.
>
>  For reaching a larger audience? As happened with lubuntu - you'd be
> surprised just how powerful word of mouth, peoples blogs etc. are. We do
> have access to some people who are PR orientated, both via lubuntu, ubuntu
> and an upstream project that I also am the admin for. As for the pure Mac
> side of things? Well, I'm sure the mac users know where to post comments
> about the fact lubuntu is coming to the Macs :)
>
>  As they say in the old Ealing Comedies [2] "Carry on testing!" At times,
> it does feel somewhat surreal, a good sense of humour is not required, but
> it sure goes a long way to help you not "head butting the desk" when things
> really break!
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Phill
> [1] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carry_On_(film_series)
>
> On 9 March 2012 17:48, Paul Gorski <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>  Phill,
>>
>> Are there any clear cut goals set forth for Ubuntu and variant
>> development?
>>
>> Sure you all want to improve the released products, but for what purpose?
>> Is there any particular goal to reach a larger audience, a larger
>> installed base?
>>
>> I've supported Macs and PCs for over 20 years now, but was a true Mac
>> Evangelist in the day before Apple Stores.
>> I'd go into businesses and flip them from PC to Mac. Sometimes it was
>> hard sometimes not.
>> Lower cost of training, return on investment and ease of use usually sold
>> decision makers, as long as the software supported their business goals.
>>
>> I see a huge market for Ubuntu and the like. Low cost of entry, pretty
>> easy to setup, numerous viable business applications, and browsers fully
>> compatible with today's cloud computing. And you can use your existing
>> hardware!
>> You could drive down operating costs for businesses, schools and
>> governments. What's not to like.
>>
>> I know you're not the guy that makes these decisions, but I'd like to
>> know what we're working towards.
>>
>>
>>  Sincerely,
>> Paul Gorski
>>
>>
>>   -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Luigi Calderone <lugligino@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: lubuntu-qa <lubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 11:34 am
>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test
>>
>>  Hi Luigi,
>>
>>  the only one available for you would be the 10.04 release of lubuntu
>> which we keep alive precisely for that reason. If you can get Ubuntu 12.04
>> installed, you can then put lubuntu on & get rid of the gnome stuff. But!
>> the instructions for going 'pure' lubuntu will not be available until a few
>> days after the final release of 12.04.
>>
>>  Sorry I cannot be of more help.
>>
>>  Regards,
>>
>>  Phill.
>>
>> On 9 March 2012 08:33, Luigi Calderone <lugligino@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Phil,
>>> I wasn't able to find a way to write anything in the iso tracker.
>>> Installation of Lubuntu was unsuccessful because my laptop Dell Latitude
>>> D600 is "Pentium M" based, manufactured on 2004. Pentium M is a "non PAE"
>>> processor not supported anymore in ubuntu with exception of Ubuntu 12.04
>>> LTS version (I don't like it because I've only 512MB Ram). I found it's
>>> possible to use a mini.iso distro but an ethernet connection is required
>>> and I've only an internet key one. Probably a mutant lubuntu-non-pae distro
>>> should be a solution but I didn't find it in any way.
>>> Any hint?
>>>
>>> Bye
>>> Luigi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/3/8 Phill Whiteside <PhillW@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>  firstly, be careful with Gnome Video Player, it *may* bring in a lot
>>>> of Gnome dependencies (I've never tried it on Lubuntu), Firefox can be
>>>> installed although the default is Chromium
>>>>
>>>>  We ask that people use the iso tracker at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ as
>>>> from there you can look at the requested tests for installing and say that
>>>> it works / fails / installs but has a problem etc.
>>>>
>>>>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing has more information on
>>>> testing. Feel free to join the lubuntu-qa group and mailing list and ask
>>>> any testing questions on there. Also, joining the main mailing list if you
>>>> are testing an i686 or amd64 version details of that one are at
>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#How_to_Join<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#How_to_Join.3F>
>>>>
>>>>  Welcome to lubuntu!
>>>>
>>>>  Regards,
>>>>
>>>>  Phill.
>>>>
>>>> On 8 March 2012 15:33, Luigi Calderone <lugligino@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Admin,
>>>>> I'm going to install Lubuntu 12.04 beta1 on my old laptop (Dell
>>>>> Latitude
>>>>> D600, 512MB Ram) in order to use and test this distro.
>>>>> I use often some programs like Firefox 10, Gnome Video Player,
>>>>> KeepassX,
>>>>> Unison, Playonlinux, Wvdial
>>>>> What can I do if I find any problem? Is there a forum where it's better
>>>>> to report it?
>>>>> Bye
>>>>> Luigi
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