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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen!

I wanted to try something that is much simpler from the ground, to
perform a basic installation (not only to be able to install into a
computer with low RAM, but in general to be successful without knowing
much).

I think some of the Windows XP users will try Lubuntu if the word is
spread, that it is 'so easy to install Lubuntu'. I see this situation:
After they dared try the one button installer on the old PC, they will
get more interested and use the flexible installer to get a dual boot
system on the new PC.

The one button installer works well with 128 MB RAM in a real computer.
It is very easy to use, built into an installed Ubuntu Mini system, and
portable enough to install from a 2 GB USB pendrive. It is not intended
for CD/DVD.

Fair enough, I will not push this issue too hard. I will try the one
button installer with some friends (most of them are not very good at
computers). I might also upload something similar to the fake-PAE stuff.
And I might come back with something well in time before Windows XP EOL.

Jonathan suggested to make a preseeder for the alternate or mini iso. I
intend to make one (for comparison), but not in the near future, and
then I will probably ask for an update how to do it.

-o-

Why does this suggestion makes people so upset? New ideas can be liked
and disliked, supported and critised, discussed or forgotten. We need to
be open to new ideas and listen to the arguments of each other in order
to develop (Lubuntu as well as ourselves).

-o-

I hope we can succeed together including everybody in the Lubuntu
community, and take this chance at the end of life of Windows XP. In
general I think Lubuntu is improving and rising on several ranking
lists. This is partly due to us, partly to Ubuntu. I'm running Unity on
my new computer, it looks and feels nice, and it runs really well, even
without any proprietary drivers. So the engine under the hood is good.
But Unity cripples aging computers, and this is where Lubuntu is great.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-06-26 22:09, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> when we are tired, we must take a break. Within any F/OSS group there
> will dis-agreements at times; some of them from widely differing
> positions. When dealing in such situations... write your reply & then go
> and review it a few hours later. I've been guilty of not doing that, but
> am hopefully getting better :)
> 
> We all deeply care about lubuntu, but we must also work as a team in
> order to best put lubuntu forward. Our emails to the groups are all
> publicly accessible - NEVER give those who are against F/OSS have any
> ammunition that may be used against us in 'press releases' etc.
> 
> Keep it civil!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
>  
> 
> On 26 June 2013 20:45, Michael Rawson <michael.rawson@xxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:michael.rawson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Ali,
> 
>     Having 'manners and respect' includes not telling other people to
>     learn 'manners and respect'.
> 
>     Also, from my point of view, you're both speaking in an informal
>     fashion. We're all here because we're volunteers, and I don't think
>     we need to be especially formal.
> 
>     Firing insults back is never an appropriate way to deal with
>     unexpected content on a mailing list; either ignore it and move on,
>     or tactfully mention it if it becomes a persistent problem.
> 
>     I hope I have not outspoken my position, but I feel you've erred in
>     your judgement.
> 
>     Michael
> 
> 
>     On 26/06/13 18:08, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>>
>>     I would strongly suggest you go and learn some manners and
>>     respect, then come back :)
>>     I would also suggest you read the CoC and the mailing list do and
>>     do not.
>>
>>     And before you jump in to the middle of some serious discussion,
>>     keep the informal stuff away and don't assume you know much about
>>     Lubuntu because you do not.
>>
>>     I did not like your attitude at all and there are billion of
>>     better way to express your thoughts rather than this. I don't
>>     reply such non-sense.
>>
>>     And next time you want to shout, do it off this list!
>>
>>     Too bad this list is not moderated. 
>>
>>     P.S.
>>     Obviously, Linux is not your cup of tea so I would strongly
>>     recommend you stick with Microsoft Windows :)
>>
>>
>>     On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Tracer <bullets@xxxxxxxx
>>     <mailto:bullets@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>         > ----- Original Message -----
>>         > From: Ali Linx (amjjawad)
>>
>>         > Above all, none of us know how much RAM those users have.
>>
>>         Assume 128 MB.
>>         That is what I had. And XP installed readily and NEVER crashed.
>>         (Tho' it never RAN, it only "walked")
>>         Browsing, emails, torrents, movies, music, ebook-readers... with
>>         the overhead of Avast-Anti-virus.
>>         Youtube ran on Explorer, Firefox, Chrome, and NEVER crashed.
>>
>>         While W95, W97, W98 & W2k used to crash, requiring reinstalls like
>>         once a week on an average, I installed XP only ONCE. Used 10
>>         years.
>>
>>         I don't like Microsoft's attitude; I am quite disgusted by their
>>         philosophy of change for the sake of change (and, ahem, profit)
>>         but don't let my anti-MS jihad dwarf the fact that XP really
>>         WORKED.
>>
>>         This's hardly a platform for praise of XP ...except when it's
>>         a fact.
>>         ("He who cares not to know the strength of his enemy shall soon
>>         taste defeat"  -Sun Tsu, The Art of War)
>>
>>         Exec Summary: XP users have HIGH expectations!
>>
>>         > We don't even know how many are they. We are so far basing
>>         our actions on assuming this
>>         > and that. No solid and fixed data yet and I guess we will
>>         never have that.
>>         > How Many Windows XP Users are having 256MB RAM or Less?
>>         >
>>         > 10%?
>>         > 20%?
>>         > 50%?
>>         >
>>         > I have no idea.
>>         > I hope you see my point and what I'm trying to say here.
>>
>>         I do, but I dont like it at all.
>>         That is how I would expect Bill Gates/Steve Jobs to think & talk.
>>         Linux guys are ( should be ) more like Picasso/Rembrandt.
>>         And the attitude inspired by Bhagwad Gita.
>>
>>         Exec Summary: Go by your conscience/passion, not repercussions.
>>
>>         PS : One bad apple...
>>         Whether you let down 10% or 50% people, you have let down the
>>         Lubuntu philosophy, and sold your soul.
>>
>>         > What is wrong with our current installer? :D
>>         > It is really simply and beautiful :D
>>
>>         Hej! I'd think Bill Gates makes you say that!
>>         Half of Puppy,Knoppix,Slax,BrowserLinux,Slitaz,Bodhi,Arch users
>>         couldn't get Lubuntu installed, so they drifted to...
>>
>>         Exec Summary: Lubuntu is GOOD! ....Pity you can't install it.
>>
>>         > I think this will cost us time and extra work which
>>         unfortunately, no one
>>         > has :(
>>
>>         OMG! Do you read Scott Adams or does Scott Adams read you?
>>         (Do you have pointy hair?!!)
>>
>>         Always, especially when resources are low, attack the BOTTLENECK!
>>         Lubuntu is ALREADY good. It's been field tested since 04-2010!
>>         Work on the INSTALLER or just release 10.04 to the XP users.
>>
>>         > We must not confuse them with multiple options. I'm very
>>         concern and
>>         > worried about our Wiki Area. It must be as simple as pie if
>>         we really
>>         > really want to have more users. Oh, in fact, as new comers,
>>         they might not
>>         > read :D I've seen some examples of some guys who need
>>         someone to come and
>>         > do the clicks for him while he sits back and watch :D we
>>         need to expect
>>         > that level of users if we really want to make a huge success.
>>
>>         OHHHH, Sure, XP users come from Somalia, Sudan & Saudi!!!
>>         Doh.
>>         You are thinking of Mac, aren't you!
>>         Windows users are pretty much up to speed.
>>         In fact, installing software packages in Windows is MUCH
>>         more difficult than using Synaptic! Starts with a Readme file!
>>
>>         ============================
>>         Exec Summary: LISTEN TO NIO.
>>         ============================
>>
>>         BR,
>>         Tracey