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Re: MDEV-21287 dev community opinion wanted


Hi, Pierre-Jean!

On Oct 09, Pierre-Jean Clement wrote:
> Hi all,
> I created the Jira ticket MDEV-21287 10 months ago and didn't get much
> feedback.
> I tried to take a shot at it myself, but found out that the resolution
> MDEV-20403 introduced this behavior by purposefully evaluating 'update
> functions' before the BEFORE UPDATE trigger.

"update functions" include generated columns and default functions,
it's not only about ON UPDATE.

In that particular bug a generated column wasn't properly evaluated
using the new value of the ON UPDATE timestamp column. As far as I

> I couldn't really understand why this was necessary, and I'd like to
> get feedback from the dev community to try and understand what is
> really supposed to happen on update.
> I kinda hate getting my trigger called with a new value that's not
> going to be persisted anyway, what do you think about that?

I think you're right.
I also think that if this is changed, someone else will write that "I
kinda hate getting my trigger with a NEW value being actually the OLD
value, not what will be written into the table"

And I don't really know how to resolve it without a time machine,
because we can only know whether the row is changed after the BEFORE

The thing is that as far as I understand SQL Standard doesn't have a
concept "row is only updated if some new values differ from old values".
If there's an UPDATE - the row is updated, triggers must be invoked, a
history row must be generated (for system versoned tables) and so on.
But the historical ON UPDATE feature - it looks whether values were
actually changed. There's probably no way to combine this seamlessly
with SQL standard features like triggers.

But I'd love to be proven wrong here.

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