Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

[mac_v <drkvi-a@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 13:19 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:11:02 +0530 mac_v <drkvi-a@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 06:56 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: 
> >> On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:58:37 +0530 mac_v <drkvi-a@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >Anyone subscribed to the wiki page would realize that the messaging menu
> >> >specs are changed almost every other day[in the past couple of weeks].
> >> >They seem to be testing it and trying to find a proper solution! I think
> >> >if we are a *little patient* the plans would become clear,eventually.
> >> >
> >> 
> >> If we are just supposed to sit back and wait and accept what we are 
> given, 
> >> then there is no need for a public list.  Please don't attempt to shout 
> >> down people who have questions.  
> >> 
> >> Scott K
> >> 
> >
> >err... i didnt mean to shout anyone down...    :( 
> >
> >But rather wanted to say, the product is still in development cycle.
> >When a product is in *development cycle* it is reasonable to find
> >several changes in the apps almost every day.
> >
> >We cant keep constantly banding the doors for an answer which might
> >change at anytime during testing!
> >
> >Rather we need to offer solutions about what seems wrong.
> >
> >Its just we are not used to such changes in specs , since only recently
> >has Ubuntu been doing upstream development.
> 
> To be clear, Ayatana is not part of Ubuntu.  I think it's new for Canonical 
> to have a team dedicated to upstream development and user experience 
> improvements.
> 
> I think questions from other upstream usability experts deserve particular 
> attention.  If there are conceptual or design shortcomings, the sooner they 
> are exposed, the better.
> 
> >take for example: gnome3 had changes in several aspects and even now we
> >dont know what it is going to end up as...
> 
> And if this were the list for that, questions about its evolution would be 
> entirely appropriate.
> 
> >Well,these were just my impressions from all the work going on, i maybe
> >wrong. But none is to shout anyone down :)
> 
> OK.  It certainly gave that impression :(.
> 
> >On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 12:40 +0200, Steve Dodier wrote:
> >> 
> >> Excuse, but that seems like a perfect exemple of design flaw Celeste
> >> is warning against. Her point of view is entirely valid when she says
> >> that you need to make sure the design fits with the goals now that you
> >> (even slightly) changed the goal.
> >> 
> >I agree . The questions raised are valid,*to devs* who want to keep up. 
> 
> Celeste is, as far as I know, the only independent usability expert 
> regularly participating here.  Given the design centered focus of Ayatana, 
> I think questions from people like Celeste would rate even higher than ones 
> for implementers.
> 
> >But in no way at all do the arguments bare any weight on having the
> >feature implemented or not. Regarding the design of the product this is
> >not a valid argument. I was commenting only on that. ;)
> 
> Just because you disagree, doesn't give you the right to discount other opinions or the 
> appropriateness of people expressing this.  Despite our chat on IRC, this is still what it 
> sounds to me like you are doing.
> 
> The chances of Ayatana products making into Kubuntu are significantly 
> affected by the reception they get from KDE upstream.  I'd appreciate it if 
> this dialogue were pursued to a reasonable conclusion.
> 
> Scott K

-------- Forwarded Message --------
From: Celeste Lyn Paul <celeste@xxxxxxx>
To: mac_v <drkvi-a@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> I *really* [cant stress this enough] like the idea of messaging-menu +
> launching capability , this is a nice idea and hope they dont backtrack
> because of a few questions of this not being the "initial goal" .

If it turns into a dashboard, fine. Just update your documentation so
the rest of us realize this :)

--------

Scott, Kindly dont make everything into KDE vs Gnome,this was evident even in the IRC discussion. ;)

Celeste has not taken any personal offense to any of the discussions either!
Also, she has accepted the new feature is fine , if it behaves as a dashboard.

I think that would be a reasonable conclusion to all. 
So lets not ponder on this any further. :)


-- 
Cheers,
mac_v