Re: [Ayatana] We need a short-term solution for mail applications and the messaging menu

[Conscious User <conscioususer@xxxxxxx>]

In an effort to get *some* reaction other than Jeremy's to this
thread, let me ask something to the people of this list: how
many of you actually use Evolution? And how many of you feel
confortable with the current way it's integrated to the
Messaging Menu (and now Unity)?

More specifically, how many of you think that the current setup
of not being able to hide the window is acceptable while the
separation of mail notification service does not happen?

I have the impression that the user experience of Evolution
always ends up being overlooked because the majority of
people uses a webmail client and does not really care.


> Hi all,

> Let me start the discussion by saying I agree with Matthew:

>
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-coherent-behavior-for-apps-in-messagingmenu
> http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/
> "The engineering solution here is for messaging clients to
> split out the code that checks for new messages, so that it
> can optionally run even while the rest of the application
> is not."

> However, I don't think this separation is coming
> anytime soon. Meanwhile, for several releases now
> Evolution is being the only inconsistent application in
> the Messaging Menu, the only that quits on close, the
> only one that needs to be present on both the MM and the
> taskbar (soon to be Unity Launcher).

> Thunderbird is getting Messaging Menu support with the
> exact same problem, and to make things worse we will now
> not only have redundancy of presence, but also redundancy
> of information presentation:

>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/evolution-indicator/trunk/revision/77
>
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/thunderbird-getting-some-unity-love/

> Evolution/Thunderbird should be on the launcher, or the
> messaging menu, but *not* on both of them.

> I don't expect a patch that modularizes Evolution or
> Thunderbird dropping from the sky, so we need a short
> term solution instead of continuing to ship the
> current, horribly redundant, situation.

> My suggestion is to either accept Geoff Goehle's patch:

>
https://code.launchpad.net/~goehle/evolution-indicator/dont-quit-on-close/+merge/42151

> or to remove Evolution from the Messaging Menu entirely,
> as it can be argued that email is not something you
> should be interested in being constantly notified
> about anyway and Evolution consumes a lot of memory.
> (see pitti's comments in the first link)

> Thoughts?