Re: [Ayatana] Awesome critical review of Unity

[Carl Simpson <cwd.simpson@xxxxxxxxx>]

So find arguments for what the correct defaults are, instead of saying “Unity == no customisation”.

Talking about customisation is automatically talking about finding something else.  No issue with people wanting to change the (frankly ridiculous) default behaviour, here.  Just the "my-way-or-the-highway" accusation that is tired and nonsensical.

2011/4/15 Luke Benstead <kazade@xxxxxxxxx>

I'm so tired of hearing this cop out. Yes, we can go and use something
else, we aren't forced to use Unity. But we are supposed to be winning
users here, not driving them away.

Luke.

On 15 April 2011 21:47, Carl Simpson <cwd.simpson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/disable-appmenu-global-menu-in-ubuntu.html
>
> You can also use the classic gnome session if you want to use the old panel
> applets.
>
> Offering a new shell by default, with certain default options, is hardly
> limiting you, or offering you the proverbial highway.
>
> 2011/4/15 Biturica <biturica@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> It's beginning to feel like a lot of us were involuntarily shifted out of
>> Ubuntu's demographic overnight.
>>
>> The titlebar being a waste of space is totally subjective and a matter of
>> opinion. But it is my-way-or-the-highway opinions like this that are now
>> driving the new one-size-fits-all philosphy of Canonical and Ubuntu fanboys.
>>
>> I would be all for trying out having application menus moved into a
>> drop-down in the window control / title bar, for all windows, regardless of
>> whether maximized or not, and regardless of where I place my panel / dock /
>> whatever we calling it this week (horizontal, vertical, one panel, two
>> panels, etc). Some of us don't want application menus and window titles
>> limiting what I can have on our panels.
>>
>> And even this drop-down application menu in the window title bar should be
>> a toggle-able setting. Don't tell users what to do. If a user with two 30
>> inch monitors wants to retain menu bars inside application windows, there is
>> no reason to take that away from a user.
>>
>> This would retain more respect for users who already have preferred
>> working habits, large screens, multiple monitors, etc. A lot of us are
>> content with "window" having a meaning and "panel" having a separate
>> meaning. Bored designers should just tweak their own desktops. Then when
>> they are experiencing a fit of one-size-fits-all thinking, they won't hurt
>> anybody.
>>
>>
>> On 04/15/2011 11:41 AM, nick rundy wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Ian.
>>
>> I do NOT want a maximized window to have a separate titlebar. I want the
>> maximized window's controls to be merged into the panel.  The titlebar is an
>> enormous waste of space. IMHO it is useless. When a user maximizes a window,
>> space is needed.
>>
>> Once people take some time and get used to this new design, they will
>> understand it and like it better. It makes a lot more sense than the old way
>> of doing things.
>>
>>
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