Re: [Ayatana] Focus follows pointer (Was: Re: Understanding the menu problem.)

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I mostly work like Philipp, so I'll say "me too" and then address
some comments below:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:13:51 +0200 Ed Lin wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Philipp Wendler
> <ubuntu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I still have some troubles understanding how focused but
> overlapped windows are useful in your three cases but obviously
> it works for you.

First, Ed, I appreciate that you can appreciate that people work
differently.  That's largely what this is about.  

One example where overlapping is nice is when I have a large code
window, but want a small terminal window open (to compile, for
example).

Very often, I can find some space in the code window that I am not
looking at, and plop a terminal there.  If I were to tile it, I
would lose an entire vertical or horizontal strip the size of the
terminal, when I really just need a a little bit of screen for it.


> Couldn't this be solved simply by making all windows behave the
> same way: first click focuses and rises (gets trapped by the WM),
> subsequent clicks get sent to the application window.

You could, but that's an entire extra click!  Sounds crazy, but for
the very efficient that makes a difference.  I'd rather just slide
my mouse over it and start typing.  Why click when i don't need
to?  

And I definitely don't like windows that raise just because I am
working in them.  I want to be able to copy text from a big window
and into the email i may be writing w/o the big
window covering the email.


> > So please, keep FFP useable!
> 
> I think as long as Ubuntu largely depends on GNOME and other 3rd
> party for its apps you will be able to use it without a global
> menu and therefore keep using FFP.

Except for the "I can't rename or delete a file on the desktop" bug.

I did turn off the global menu, but that doesn't solve the fact
that you can't give the desktop focus if another window still has
it.

Oh, here's another example:  I am composing an email, but can still
go check for mail before sending w/o the client covering up this
window.  Oops, now people will try to convince me i need to switch
to web mail and stop using a client!  :)