Re: [Ayatana] reduce the font and ui size!

2011/10/20 Tomasz Sałaciński <tsalacinski@xxxxxxxxx>

They are *slightly* harder to read because they're very small (9pt). Ubuntu should use Ubuntu 10, not 11. Remember, that such huge font makes working on smaller screens very annoying (no window will fit the screen, or will force user to scroll/move windows), working on bigger screen makes fonts very, very big.

W dniu 2011-10-20 16:34, Ian Santopietro pisze:

The letters in the Segoe example run together, and in My opinion are a
bit harder to read than the Ubuntu example. In addition to this, they
look clearer because of improper hinting settings, which detracts from
the visual appearance of the characters and also makes them harder to
read.

2011/10/20 Tomasz Sałaciński<tsalacinski@gmail.com>:

I've created such a comparsion.

First label shows default monospace font in Windows and in Ubuntu (gedit).

Second label (Setup is loading...) shows Windows interface font (setup
program) compared to Ubuntu interface font (made in Glade).

See how much Windows fonts are clearer and take a lot less space than Ubuntu
fonts. 90% of computer users in the world don't have any problem with size
that Windows uses (I think they spent a lot more money on research what font
size they should be using) - let's say 10% of them change the size of the
font. It still leaves 80% of world computer users satisfied (maybe more, not
counting Macs) with the font we see in Windows. Even with a lot less
userbase MORE Ubuntu users are complaining about font size.

Imagine when reading a source code file in gedit you have to scroll every
few lines.. then you have to find where you've left reading. It hurts your
eyes and makes using of computer a simple pain in the backside.

Of coure - Ubuntu 11 looks fancy. But users will do more than looking at the
screenshots. If they see that the system is useless except for listening to
music, watching videos and browsing Facebook - they just stick to using
Windows. With such big fonts and additional padding, windows in Ubuntu are a
lot bigger than in other systems. If this is by design, then the design is
simply completely wrong. You can't satisfy all users, but you should try
satisfying most user's needs, instead of personal preferences of the
designers.

W dniu 2011-10-20 15:00, Thibaut Brandscheid pisze:

2011/10/17 Matthew Paul Thomas<mpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:mpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>

What would help here is for someone to make a screenshot comparison of
the same windows, laid out in exactly the same positions, on Ubuntu,
Windows, and OS X.

....

We might find that the problem is partly font size, but partly also
size and padding of interface controls.

Here are two similar images showing the file browser and text editor
in Windows 7 and Ubuntu Oneiric.

* Ubuntu<http://image-upload.de/image/KUAqjL/28a9103bae.png>
* Windows 7<http://image-upload.de/image/uyfCCE/e1bc89e7fa.png>

Padding (buttons) and font size are smaller and therefore the interface
looks& feels cleaner in Windows 7. Thats the reason why smaller windows

seems to be more useful in Windows than in Ubuntu (compared same sized
windows).

Traditionally GNOME has a lot of padding (negative example → Totem
controls) and wasts a lot of screen space (has been reduced a bit last
cycles).

So what to do?

* Analise every default application UI if they need that big buttons
and that much padding/margin
o use the same padding/margin in every application if possible
* Reduce padding and font size - just a bit → huge difference

Kind regards
Thibaut

PS: If anybody uses Ubuntu, Win& and Mac and could make more comparison

screenshots it would be awesome.
I use Windows only for gaming → my Wintendoo ;)

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