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agree with you that they all should be visible, but be able to hide the ones you want or dont use frequently.
someone created something like this: http://i.imgur.com/dhHNJ.png (thats not gnome-shell, is jjpanel) video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOp_NGPdkVo http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/oxygen-appmenu-replace-menu-with.html#comment-371674713 the collapsible applet area could be made in the unity panel. > From: isantop@xxxxxxxxx > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:20:32 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators > To: estelar57@xxxxxxxxxxx > CC: david.reichling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > I don't really see any problems with letting a user hide indicators > manually, but all of them should always be visible by default. The > seemingly haphazard hiding of "indicators" in Windows were, if I'm > correct, one of the reasons we developed indicators in the first > place. > > Instead of developing ways to hide indicators, perhaps it would be > more useful to refine the interaction when the window title, window > menu, and indicators run long and meet? > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:59, Omar B. <estelar57@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > i like it, i would actually keep the volume always visible since i mouse > > over it frequently, also in windows, kde, etc. is also kept visible (but is > > configurable in kde). > > > > i do have this area pretty cluttered: glipper, system monitor applet, > > keyboard language switcher and all the others. > > > > so this would help but a person should configure to keep the applets they > > want visible all the time or on demand, etc.. > > > >> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:05:38 +0100 > >> From: david.reichling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> To: mpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> CC: ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Subject: Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators > > > >> > >> Holy shit gmail removed somehow when i make a new line. > >> Resending my mail: > >> Hi, > >> i didn't explained my idea good enough and you and probably others > >> have understand me wrong. > >> so i try to explain with different words. > >> the basic idea is that when you turn the computer on it shows the > >> minimum of indicators thats > >> possible. > >> http://unity.exemo.net/panel_beginning.png > >> you can expand them by clicking on the arrow: > >> http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png > >> > >> when an "event" happens 4 different things can happen: > >> a: show only a notification > >> b: show a notification and show an indicator > >> (if the indicator is already visible add an entry to the menu) > >> c: show a notification and hide an indicator > >> d: remove an entry from an indicator menu > >> (if its the last entry the indicator will be hidden) > >> > >> The nofifications are like now and will fade in and after a few sec. fade > >> out. > >> The indicators will be show at an event and remain visible until later > >> when another event hides it again > >> > >> Examples: > >> Event: Files will be uploaded to ubuntu one > >> What happens: > >> a: -show notification: x files will be uploaded ... > >> > >> Event: You get a new mail > >> What happens: > >> b: - show notification: You got a new mail ... > >> - show message indicator > >> - http://unity.exemo.net/new_mail.png > >> > >> Event: You remove the cable from your laptop > >> What happens -> > >> b: - show notification: You have x hours left ... > >> - show batteryindicator > >> - http://unity.exemo.net/mail_and_battery.png > >> > >> Event: You focus the chat window > >> What happens: > >> d - remove the previously added "chat-notification-entry" from > >> the message menu > >> > >> Event: You connect the cable to your laptop > >> What happens -> c: > >> - show notification: Battery will be full in ... > >> - hide battery indicator > >> - http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png > >> > >> > Why? What problem would it be solving? > >> That's a good question (as always ;-))There has been already a lot of > >> work done in the top right corner and i don't see any real problems > >> with what we currently have. The only thing is that i have currently 8 > >> indicators that are always visible. Other users might have more or > >> less. I just think that it would look better when you have a maximised > >> application and you have less indicators visible. > >> (the minimum possible) > >> I think for the same reason that the window buttons are not > >> visible when not needet. > >> > >> > If the messaging menu was hidden by default, what use would it be? > >> I didn't mean to use the messaging menu like we have it today. > >> More something like a list of the latest notifications that you got > >> Looking something like this: http://ubuntuone.com/3pQaNx9TdpPXEZHMIjPgdP > >> except not the tabs at the bottom > >> > >> > How do you classify devices under "notification indicators"? What > >> > would this notify you of? > >> (using the word notifications was not really a good idea from me.) > >> We could show for example an entry for every device where it makes > >> sense. Every entry could contain a menu with actions > >> For example > >> - UsbStick > >> - Documents (17) // open gnome-documents > >> - Videos (3) // open gnome videos > >> - see all files // open nautilus > >> - Video DVD > >> - Watch Movie // open totem > >> - Import or Rip Movie // open ... > >> etc > >> This could remove the need to open a window in situations like this: > >> > >> "If a new printer is plugged in and recognized automatically while > >> neither a Print dialog nor System Settings (any panel) is open, System > >> Settings should open to the Printers panel, the list of printers > >> should scroll to show the new printer, and it should be selected in > >> the list. (This is analogous to a USB storage device window opening > >> when it is connected.)" > >> > >> But i have to say that i have not really thought a lot about how the > >> specific indicators could look like. I just wanted to give a few > >> examples. > >> > >> > People didn't see the updates notification area item even when it was > >> > shown by default. What use would it be if it was hidden? :-) > >> The reason why some people don't see it is in my opinion because we > >> have indicators where some people don't care about. > >> Lets say we have a user who uses his computer only to look his mails > >> (in gmail) and > >> to browse the internet. His first time where he uses ubuntu he look > >> around and finds out how to connect to the internet, ... (or a friend > >> shows him) > >> But after that the internet connect automatically etc and he > >> just look at the top-right to look at the clock and maybe adjust the > >> volume when he is in youtube. > >> He simply doesn't care about what else is there. > >> > >> When i look how it works for example in android: > >> At the top left you have the name of your carrier and nothing else > >> When you got 1 or more > >> notifications the carrier will be replaced with 1 or more icons. > >> You now have icons where before where only text. You see that immediatly > >> and choose based on the icons if you want to check the > >> notification now, later or just clear it. > >> If i am right about this people will notice the update-indicator. > >> Because if only the things that are important for > >> them are visible and they see an unknown icon they will check if its > >> maybe important too? (at least i think so) > >> > >> > Also, a menu item wouldn't show enough information for you to be able > >> > to decide whether you want to update a particular application. > >> That's right. As is said earlier i just wanted to give a few examples and > >> maybe it doesn't make sense to show an update-indicator. > >> > >> > Why? What would be the use of collecting progress of different tasks > >> > into a menu? > >> AFAIK there are basicly 2 forms of progress in applications. > >> a: You have for example firefox, torrents, ... where you can still use the > >> application while tasks (download) is running in the background. > >> b: On the other side we have applications that you can no longer use when > >> a > >> task is running. The only reason not to hide the application is to look > >> at how many % the task is or to see more details about whats happening > >> while a task is running. For example update-manager, synaptic, ... > >> I think for "a" it is good because you can see how far for example > >> your download is without having to switch to firefox. > >> For "b" developers could offer a feature to hide the application and by > >> clicking on the entry in the progress-indicator or when the task is > >> finished show the application again. > >> > >> > (As a comparison, should we also collect errors from different tasks > >> > into a single menu? Why or why not? How about selected text from > >> > different tasks? Or the most recently opened file from different tasks?) > >> > >> I don't know, but we would need to define whats kind of things should be > >> shown. > >> > >> > The Dash is hidden by default, and the launcher is usually hidden. Do > >> > you think it is reasonable to hide the clock most of the time? > >> I don't know. That's why i asked that question at the bottom. > >> For me it would be ok to move the mouse to the left to see the clock. > >> But i have absolutely no idea how others think about that. It would be > >> like in > >> windows when you have your taskbar set to autohide. Except that windows > >> doesn't hide it per default and we do. > >> > >> > Your arrangement would hide it even when it is discharging. > >> as i said in the example at the top it would show the indicator when > >> discharging and hide it again when charging. > >> > >> > Does that mean it should be shown by default? > >> I don't think. But i mentioned it here because someone has maybe a > >> nice idea for that.We could show it as soon as you start an > >> application that can play music.(If there is at least on application > >> in Sound-Settings -> Applications) > >> > >> > How does this relate to indicator menus? > >> Not at all.I write this because if like in my idea we want to have the > >> minimum possible amount > >> of indicators with a feature like that all indicators that are only > >> there to hide an application could be removed > >> > >> > Hmm, that seems a little bit backwards. Usually when music starts > >> > playing, it's because you told it to play, so you don't need a > >> > notification in that case. > >> Here too what i wanted to say is that the sound-indicator should fade > >> in. But no notification bubble should be shown. > >> (While listening to music you might want to adjust the volume) > >> > >> > On the other hand, the sound menu currently > >> > lets you quickly start music playing in the first place -- and it > >> > wouldn't be nearly so quick if it was hidden by default. > >> That's one of the reasons why i said for some people it could become > >> annoying. Don't know what to do about this. > >> Maybe people who listen a lot of music could put their musicplayer in > >> the launcher and start > >> playing music from the quicklist? > >> > >> > I haven't yet seen an application where this is a problem. Do you know > >> > of one? > >> No. but when i see how many indicators Roland has there are maybe > >> applications with problems. > >> > >> > That in particular is an interesting idea. But if you used the menu to > >> > connect to one wi-fi network, but then realized you should have > >> > connected to another one instead (that happened to me last week), the > >> > menu wouldn't be there any more. > >> That's why you can always expand system indicators by clicking on the > >> arrow. > >> They are just hidden but not gone. > >> > >> > It would be rather strange that a Me menu (that Ubuntu doesn't even > >> > have any more!) would be visible by default, but a clock would not. > >> With me menu it didn't mean to use it 100% like we had it. > >> That's why i added like gnome-shell. > >> What if we would remove the "me menu" and show the clock instead? > >> A problem that i see with that approach is that people will not expect a > >> menuentry to shut down their pc when clicking at the clock. > >> But maybe we could put shutdown at the dashs' first page? > >> Nice day > >> David Reichling > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > >> Post to : ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > > Post to : ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > > -- > Ian Santopietro > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > "Eala Earendel enlga beorohtast > Ofer middangeard monnum sended" > > Pa gur yv y porthaur? > > Public GPG key (RSA): > http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x412F52DB1BBF1234 |