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[Jan Verlaan - Veritos <jverlaan@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Sharoon,

i think you hit with your doubts the hart of this discussion. At least 
several community members I spoke in the Netherlands have the same 
doubts together with most of the others here in the mailinglist.
The rest of the discussion held is about a possible solution to overcome 
these doubts.

As Tiny does not respond (yet) to our concerns, some of you have already 
a privately maintained branch en others are thinking about setting up a 
, resulting in having one community maintained branch that will be more 
stable as the Tiny one.
I propose to discus further on the work involved to establish a 
separated branch, what are the pro and cons, what rules we want to 
introduce in maintaining a branch.

As mentioned in previous mails when we do branch-off,  I expect that 
Tiny will not commit many more updates/fixes to their stable branch and 
we will stand more or less alone. I guess they will merge our bugfixes 
in there own private branch and trunk only. Why would Tiny put efforts 
in the stable branch when the  community branch-off and doesn't use it?
Resulting in that we are alone then. I hope everyone who wants to 
branch-off as a solution to the un-stability of the stable, is aware of 
the work involved, not only maintaining a branch, but also maintaining 
the community itself, with all rules and communication efforts needed.
If we mis-judge this work and/or not willing to spend our time to make 
it successful , we will definitely run into the same trouble where Tiny 
is in now.

Still I hope Tiny will respond to this discussion with a answer that 
solves our main problem, a stable branch that is stable and where the 
community is involved in maintaining the branch.

With kinds regards,
Jan Verlaan

Op 24-01-10 11:34, Sharoon Thomas schreef:
> Hi all,
>
> Just another example I want to point out:
>
> I proposed a merge correcting the database issues in non locale environment
> on the 12th of January:
> https://code.launchpad.net/~sharoonthomas/openobject-server/patchfor_postgressql_environnonutf8/+merge/17222
>
> The merge is approved and status changed to merged by an open ERP employee
> yesterday with a comment that the patch is good but has already been fixed.
> The fix link is here
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp/openobject-server/5.0/revision/chs@xxxxxxxxxxx-20100120163913-5ftbs7e85lwqb1et.
> I am happy that its fixed, but the author is different and NOT WHEN I
> SAY
> THIS I AM NOT DYING FOR CREDIT OR KARMA.
>
> I just want to point out that I dont see a single community contribution (if
> any like the one above they are made the editors') in the closed branches of
> Tiny (server&  'Certified' Addons).
>
> Somebody please clarify my doubts:
>
>     1. Is it because tiny wants to retain the ownership of the code of the
>     server&  addons, but benefit from all the community contribution.??
>     2. I understand its possible to change the license of a project if the
>     code base is completely owned by the changer. I am not a license geek,
>     somebody who knows please clarify. I dont want to be pissed off by any
>     company like the hundreds of open source projects did to their community.
>     3. The recent marketing efforts may have been seen positively by many. I
>     try to convince myself as well but i dont get convinced. It looks more to me
>     like Sun (Or Oracle to be precise) is going to invest in Tiny? Everybody has
>     intentions behind every penny spent. Definitely they are going to push for
>     MySQL or probably Oracle being used with ERP? The recent madness and
>     obsession shown by Tiny in the SA branch sort of reassure me of this. More
>     here<http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601204&sid=a0Wy0DITQBiA>
> where FP says he wants to sell the company off (forget the time
> period, why
>     would he not do it if he gets a better offer now???) What about the major
>     vendors having purchased>90% of the top Linux kernel developers and many
>     of the developers of important frameworks like GNOME or KDE? Isn't this
>     to give them more control on where such technologies are evolving? Isn't
>     Canonical's purchase of a significant number of Debian developers
> in the same
>     vein? (source<http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/60-Launchpad,-Google-and-why-Microsoft-is-not-the-problem.html>
>     ).
>
> I have enough reasons to believe in the above and moreover i see more people
> who think alike...
> If Tiny doesnt respond to this also then what will they ever respond to
> ????
> To FP: these are not accusations but just doubts and concerns that are in my
> mind. I believe there's no better forum to clarify.
>
> Sharoon Thomas
>