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[Sharoon Thomas <sharoonthomas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hello Shabbir ji,

I think the confusion here is you are talking about this module:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp-community/openobject-addons/trunk-addons-community/revision/44#poweremail/poweremail_inv.py<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eopenerp-community/openobject-addons/trunk-addons-community/revision/44#poweremail/poweremail_inv.py>

It clearly has my name as the author and Pragmatic as the company since this
was authored at the time i worked at Pragmatic.
The only mistake done by me was I reused the same name 'poweremail' for a
new module which was totally built from scratch.
The work is just an implementation of osv_memory specifically for sale_order
and account_invoice. It does not even work with other models. It would be
like comparing the new magento corrector with the original smile one because
both does the basic job of connecting to magento and the same developer was
involved in both. (But just like the poweremail the new magento connect is
really powerful and different). I think it would be injustice again to
compare the works by me (and other colleagues at Pragmatic) to the
Poweremail as we see it today built by the Open ERP community. The said
module (linked above) was removed by me couple of months back to avoid
ambiguity since the module was never maintained and bugs were being reported
about the same.

Me or my company has never claimed that we are the 'owners' of Poweremail
despite being the largest contributors. It is a community driven project and
I happen to lead the project. The copyrights dont talk about my company
either.The claims of contribution can be verified by any body from the
launchpad statistics available here
https://launchpad.net/poweremail/+topcontributors . You can see couple of
names of other Pragmatic employees also in the list but as you would
understand its too low to be highlighted in the docs or the presentations
that were done (The first name Sudha Sharma is 18th in the overall list). I
am sure that pragmatic would have been highlighted if there was consistent
contribution and looking forward to your team contributing more to the
initiative in the coming days.

I request all your attention to the important issue here where all of us
have to fear if this project is on its way to becoming another proprietary
solution. I believe that this re-coding effort is to ensure that the entire
main code base of Open ERP remains under the copyright of Open ERP SA. If a
license change was possible over 1 day from GPL to AGPL, I would not be
surprised to see another to make it proprietary.

Further to clarify my own standpoint on the issue, these criticisms is not
to provoke an anti-Open ERP'ism, but to humbly insist and persuade Open ERP
to change its policies and attitudes to be 'open' ERP. I hope fabien and the
Open ERP management will come out with a bold initiative to correct the
path.

Cheers!


On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Shabbir (Sohel) Merchant <
shabbir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I do not want to start a new controvert here but would like to put in to
> perspective some background of PowerEmail. The initial version of Power
> Email was developed at Pragmatic, India paid by its client  and was taken
> over by Mr. Thomas and his company stating that he was using only few
> hundred lines of code from initial version. He did not even hesitate to
> discredit our developers and our company who worked hard to get this version
> in place.
>
> I am not taking any sides here, but I hope you got taste of *your own
> medicine. As you sow, so shall you reap
>
> Shabbir.
>
> *
> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Sharoon Thomas <
> sharoonthomas@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi Fil,
>>
>> You are right!
>> But thats the official website of Open ERP India. Its a direct link to
>> their website.
>>
>> So if there is a trojan, its on their site.
>>
>> I have copied this mail to the right people who can correct that.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:00 AM, office <office@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>  If what you say is true, then you're right to be angry. But, please be
>>> careful with links in email or forums because your link
>>> http://blog.openerp.co.in/?p=400 from your mail is infected with JS /
>>> Agent Trojan NCA.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dumitru Gilcescu
>>> Fil System
>>>
>>>  *From:* Sharoon Thomas <sharoonthomas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 15, 2010 2:54 AM
>>> *To:* Fabien Pinckaers <fp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Cc:* Openerp Expert Framework<openerp-expert-framework@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Stephane
>>> Wirtel <stw@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; openerp-community@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Varun
>>> Kumar <varun.kumar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
>>> openerp-community-leaders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* [Openerp-community] Injustice,plagiarism and insult of
>>> community work
>>>
>>> Hello Fabien and the Open ERP community,
>>>
>>> I request your attention to this post dated 2nd of May:
>>> http://blog.openerp.co.in/?p=400
>>>
>>> It is a clear duplication of work done by Open ERP SA on the community
>>> module 'Powerwmail' .
>>>
>>> I am not surprised but shocked to see this trend repeating again and
>>> again. Why is it that the community ideas have to reinvented by Open ERP SA
>>> in a different name everytime? It happened with scenario, rml and now I
>>> think it is right time to question whether its the right ethics for an
>>> opensource project ? To retain the copyright on the Open ERP code Open ERP
>>> SA goes to any extend?
>>>
>>> I understand that it is Open ERP business model that 800EUR (or may be
>>> more because of the heavy code) is what is needed for a module to be
>>> 'certified'. Is it because the community cannot pay for a community
>>> contribution that the effort is duplicated? Well I think contribution of
>>> such useful features itself makes openerp more that worth 800EUR because
>>> till today I have received numerous mails saying how the work saves every
>>> developer couple of days. This is strongly disappointing for any community
>>> contributor. What is the point in releasing the code if it is next day going
>>> to be duplicated by your paid employees? What is the point of the community
>>> if the credits are all for open ERP SA?
>>>
>>> I draw the attention also to the commitment made by fabien and antoine at
>>> the community days in Belgium to all those present there that poweremail
>>> would be drawn into official 6.0. I request you to respect the community and
>>> your own words.
>>>
>>> Have a look at the duplicated work:
>>> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp-commiter/openobject-addons/trunk-mod3-local/annotate/head:/fetchmail/fetchmail.py<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eopenerp-commiter/openobject-addons/trunk-mod3-local/annotate/head:/fetchmail/fetchmail.py>
>>> The model structure is 90% similar. Logic is 99% similar.
>>>
>>> I wonder why you could not contribute if there is anything that's not
>>> there to the main poweremail code which is open to everybody to edit. (
>>> https://code.launchpad.net/~openerp-commiter/poweremail/poweremailtrunk<https://code.launchpad.net/%7Eopenerp-commiter/poweremail/poweremailtrunk>
>>> )
>>>
>>> I wish you spend your resources and time on playing the fair editor of an
>>> opensource project. Not Micro$oft of the opensource world. I may not waste
>>> my time on fighting legally or morally for the sake of poweremail again, but
>>> be sure that community members will also soon realise that contributing to
>>> openerp is waste of time. Who knows if their work will be duplicated by the
>>> editor in the next release. You discourage contribution to openerp and I
>>> speculate the intention of open ERP SA in holding the copyright of the code
>>> whatever they need integrated into the core.
>>>
>>> When I conclude this mail, I am not sure if I will ever get a reply for
>>> this mail from 'Open ERP SA'. But please remember that the more you do this,
>>> the more the community moves away from you.
>>>
>>> Wish you good luck plagiarising!
>>>
>>> and a simple advice to your Indian team doing all the duplication work:
>>> Atleast show the quality of code poweremail has in your duplicated work. I
>>> can already see several logical foolishnes in your code and absolute '0' in
>>> code quality. Atleast try making something better with all the TODO's that
>>> has been left in the code.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --
>>> Sharoon Thomas
>>> Business Analyst & Open Source ERP Consultant
>>> CEO @ http://openlabs.co.in
>>>
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Sharoon Thomas
Business Analyst & Open Source ERP Consultant
CEO @ http://openlabs.co.in