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[Raphaël Valyi <rvalyi@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello all,

I also recall you you that we migrated the non-refactored version of
Poweremail for OpenERP v6 and even use it in production successfully. Here
is the branch:
https://code.launchpad.net/~openlabs-akretion-consortium/poweremail/poweremail-v6

<https://code.launchpad.net/~openlabs-akretion-consortium/poweremail/poweremail-v6>May
be you can use it in the process to build a V6 version. We would eventually
migrate in that case. Recently we compared the v6 alternative to Poweremail
but missed some essential features, that's why we stayed on the version by
Openlabs, may be if you finish to port the features Sharoon spoke about and
have open processes for contributions, then we could switch to the
'official' version and help there.

Raphaël Valyi
Founder and ERP Consultant
+55 21 3010 9965
http://www.akretion.com

<http://www.akretion.com.br/>




On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Albert Cervera i Areny
<albert@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

>  You may also consider merging the changes in our branch:
>
> https://code.launchpad.net/~nan-tic/poweremail/nan_poweremail
>
> Here's an explanation of the changes of the branch. Basically, it includes
> the possibility of attaching more than one report as well as sending the
> attachments of the template as attachments of the e-mail:
>
> http://bit.ly/9LDBrE
>
> A Dimarts, 26 d'octubre de 2010, Mantavya Gajjar va escriure:
>
> > Thanks for the quality improvement. I have forward this merge proposal to
> r
>
> > & d team. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from !DEA
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Sharoon Thomas <sharoonthomas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:10:40
>
> > To: <mga@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Fabien Pinckaers<fp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> > Cc: Varun Kumar<varun.kumar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>
> > <openerp-community@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>
> > <openerp-community-leaders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Openerp Expert
>
> > Framework<openerp-expert-framework@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re:
>
> > [Openerp-community] [Fwd: Re: Injustice, plagiarism and insult of
>
> > community work]
>
> >
>
> > Hello Fabien and Mantavya Ji,
>
> >
>
> > I would like to thank you for merging poweremail into the openobject
> addons
>
> > 6.0 [1] and for fixing the copyright issues [2].
>
> >
>
> > I support the idea of splitting the module into multiple feature based
>
> > smaller modules. However, in the forking process, you have missed some of
>
> > the features like [3] and also the quality improvements in the
> refactoring
>
> > effort [4] we made. We could propose the changes as merge proposals or
>
> > patches.
>
> >
>
> > [1]
>
> >
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp/openobject-addons/trunk/files/head:/em
>
> > ail_template/ [2]
>
> >
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp/openobject-addons/trunk/revision/3164
> .
>
> > 125.11 [3] https://bugs.launchpad.net/openobject-addons/+bug/656897
>
> > [4] https://code.launchpad.net/~sharoonthomas/poweremail/refactoring
>
> >
>
> > Thanks,
>
> >
>
> > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:20 AM, Sharoon Thomas
>
> >
>
> > <sharoonthomas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
> > > Hello Sir,
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks for this interesting long fabricated mail.
>
> > >
>
> > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Mantavya Gajjar <mga@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > >> Hello to All and Sharoon,
>
> > >>
>
> > >> I am Mantavya Gajjar - (mga), Director Tiny ERP India,
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Sorry for my Late Reply, but I just came to know about this email
>
> > >> chaining from some of the employees.
>
> > >
>
> > > I would prefer to believe it, but its very very bad that even senior
> most
>
> > > employees of Tiny don't participate in the community mailing
>
> > > lists.Clearly shows why there is a disconnect between Open ERP and the
>
> > > community * [I would recommend you to join atleast the framework-expert
>
> > > list.]*
>
> > >
>
> > >> I had posted a bug that doesn't mean that I am aware about the
> complete
>
> > >> product.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> For the bug post, https://bugs.launchpad.net/poweremail/+bug/428568,
> I
>
> > >> have seen some of the template screen somewhere on the blog and I see
>
> > >> some of the notation like ${ } from the screen I did not know that you
>
> > >> have used mako template.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> I have a sense that if you use features of the mako template then its
>
> > >> not easy to change the behaviour of parsing the same, and that is the
>
> > >> reason, that after your reply I did not post any comment on the same
>
> > >> bug. Actually I should not post the bug but I post because at that
> time
>
> > >> I was crazy about the new development I did and that as the Server
>
> > >> Action. (In that if you look at the Email & SMS Action features i use
>
> > >> the notation [[ ]] same like OpenERP report to parse the object /
>
> > >> fields). the Intention behind this post was to keep the same notation
>
> > >> [[ ]] instead of the ${}. at that time I didn't know that this post
> will
>
> > >> prove me liar.
>
> > >
>
> > > Wrong argument about mako, but I prefer to believe you on the rest.
>
> > >
>
> > >> Regarding the Powermail - after listening "India Director has to lie"
> I
>
> > >> try to check the poweremail module and try to check the code.
>
> > >> (
>
> > >>
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp-commiter/poweremail/poweremailtrunk
>
> > >> /annotate/head:/poweremail_core.py<
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eopener
>
> > >>
> p-commiter/poweremail/poweremailtrunk/annotate/head:/poweremail_core.py>
>
> > >> ) at the first look it seems more or less the Axelor Webmail module.
>
> > >> which manage Inbox, of emails, provide the templates for emailing.
>
> > >
>
> > > I want to believe that you never checked poweremail before. Axelor
>
> > > webmail module (If its the open one in the standard repos) is just not
>
> > > even a quarter of poweremail -it just downloads mail and as far as i
> see
>
> > > does not have powerful templating or such reception with read/unread
>
> > > status etc.
>
> > >
>
> > >> Regarding the Fetchmail: As I have already informed to Fabien during
> his
>
> > >> trip to Indian, that why I have invented the fetchmail module.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> - To replace the mail_gateway module which was tightly coupled with
> the
>
> > >> crm module (even after migration from email_gateway.py script to
>
> > >> mail_gateway module)
>
> > >>
>
> > >> - From the beginning I have already Invented the smtpclient module in
>
> > >> the trunk-extra-addons, and it is alternative of the
> tools.send_email()
>
> > >> (I think this module I have developed before the Sharon's Training @
>
> > >> Indian Office, I think Sharon I have shown you this module during the
>
> > >> Training).
>
> > >
>
> > > Yes, you did show the module, but it never worked and that's where I
> got
>
> > > my first dose of inspiration for poweremail. If you remember we had an
>
> > > argument then about the 'lockin' disadvantage of having such a system.
>
> > >
>
> > >> - Before 1.5 months Tiny ERP Indian office have started the
> recruitment,
>
> > >> and due to that we are getting lots of CV's I want some system where i
>
> > >> can redirect this all emails to our Internal Interview Module (which
> is
>
> > >> already running in our system), for that I required some system like
> CRM
>
> > >> Mail Gate. but I was not able to use the same as its strict with CRM
>
> > >> module. so one of the biggest reason was to develop a Fetchmail was
>
> > >> this
>
> > >>
>
> > >> So, finally I started to work on that and come with the very simple
>
> > >> module by taking the email_gateway module code I prepare a generic and
>
> > >> very simple system which can be used in any module (yes of course need
>
> > >> to write 2 method in the model which we want to integrate).
>
> > >
>
> > > If you had used poweremail the job would have been done in 5 minutes.
>
> > > After 1.5 months you still dont have a working solution... lol... (also
>
> > > keen to know what discouraged you from using axelor's webmail)
>
> > >
>
> > > But what surprises me more is that you have Open ERP 6.0 in production
>
> > > internally before 1.5 months!! as far as I can see the fetch mail
> module
>
> > > was written for 6.0. Anyway, INTERESTING fabrications!
>
> > >
>
> > >> If you compare these 2 modules there are no similarities in between
>
> > >> them.
>
> > >
>
> > > I am writing the similarities below with the proof of my claim for the
>
> > > duplication
>
> > >
>
> > >> Fetchmail: only work for the fetching emails and integrate with the
>
> > >> OpenERP Model
>
> > >>
>
> > >> PowerEmail: works like a mail client.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> I think you angry because of
>
> > >> "http://openlabs.co.in/blog/post/presentation-community-meeting/";
> here
>
> > >> you wrote that
>
> > >>
>
> > >> "The good news is the commitment from Fabien Pinckaers (CEO of Open
> ERP)
>
> > >> and the Antoine (CTO of Open ERP) that Poweremail is going to be
>
> > >> integrated to the trunk of Open ERP." and certainly Fetchmail was
>
> > >> published in the addons branch. but that is again not a relation of
>
> > >> fetchmail with the poweremail module.
>
> > >
>
> > > My company site says as you have quoted "good news ..". If I was angry
> I
>
> > > would have written "Bad news"? I dont understand what you try to
> explain
>
> > > here!
>
> > >
>
> > >> Also, I have reviewed Axelor Webmail for so many times( At Indian
>
> > >> office), also gives the solution for some problems, do you think that
> I
>
> > >> need to copy and paste from the Powermail module ??
>
> > >
>
> > > I have personally taken my training from you and I completely
> understand
>
> > > your skills in programming and knowledge. There's no question about it.
> I
>
> > > respect your knowledge and skills but replicating functionality is no
>
> > > excuse for it.
>
> > >
>
> > >> Working with the sms & email applications is interesting things for
> me.
>
> > >> http://sites.google.com/site/mantavyagajjar2/massmailing-java
>
> > >> http://sites.google.com/site/mantavyagajjar2/massmailingapplication
>
> > >> http://sites.google.com/site/mantavyagajjar2/smsapplication
>
> > >>
>
> > >> - and that's why I put 2 module on the trunk extra addons (smsclient,
>
> > >> and smtpclient as smsclient nobody is using so there is no
> enhancements
>
> > >> smtpclient used by the 2 major projects webmail and direct marketing
>
> > >> project - dm)
>
> > >>
>
> > >> you have no rights to blame anyone before knowing the complete truth,
>
> > >> how come you say that its 90% same in the code and 99% same in logic?
>
> > >
>
> > > As mentioned my reasons for the above claim are below:
>
> > >
>
> > > Reason 1: HTML2TEXT in poweremail is in separate file, in your module
> in
>
> > > the same file
>
> > >
>
> > > Reason 2: 9/13 fields already exist in poweremail core accounts
>
> > > (obviously the views have similar structure)
>
> > > [Format: fetchmail_field:poweremail_field]
>
> > > 1.name:name
>
> > > 2.active:
>
> > > 3.state:state (with three equivalent states)
>
> > > 4.server:iserver
>
> > > 5.port:iport
>
> > > 6.type:iserver_type
>
> > > 7.is_ssl:isssl
>
> > > 8.user:username
>
> > > 9.password:password
>
> > > 10.action_id:
>
> > > 11.object_id:
>
> > > 12.priority:
>
> > > 13.user_id:user
>
> > >
>
> > > Reason 3:
>
> > >
>
> > > Constraint of check_duplicate in fetchmail: Called_constraint_unique in
>
> > > poweremail
>
> > >
>
> > > Reason 4: Method similarity [4/5 methods are same]
>
> > >
>
> > >_process_email :
>
> > > set_draft : done in workflow
>
> > > decode_header : decode_header_text
>
> > > button_fetch_mail : send_receive
>
> > > fetch_mail : get_mails (Almost the same in code as well with same kind
> of
>
> > > if else logic)
>
> > >
>
> > > When a model, view and methods are same in functionality, I prefer to
>
> > > call it a duplicate. Now tell me why I cant make the above claim.
> (Sorry
>
> > > if its a rounded percentage.. lol)
>
> > > If you call 'apple' an 'Apple', python may be case sensitive and make a
>
> > > difference but doesnt make it new code.
>
> > >
>
> > >> I would like to request any community member to check out the code of
>
> > >> both the modules. I would not like to enter in a huge discussion.
>
> > >
>
> > > I have made it easy for the community member who wants to check.
>
> > >
>
> > >> We appreciate your contribution in the community, but you should
>
> > >> respects others too.
>
> > >
>
> > > With all due respect to you as an Individual, I should say that I am
>
> > > convinced that you will neither accept the fact that you copied, nor do
> I
>
> > > expect you to. Open ERP SA claims to support all community work. Can
> you
>
> > > give the name of the community modules which you have contributed to
>
> > > officially and incorporated to the official base? Do you want to say
> that
>
> > > till today there are no valid contributions from the community?
>
> > >
>
> > > I know you hate this name 'Tryton', please download its client (from
>
> > > www.tryton.org) and have a look at the 'About section'. That will show
>
> > > you the 'respect' an opensource project should have for its
>
> > > contributors. To get what you have made today all what you needed was
> to
>
> > > add 4 fields to poweremail, but i want to believe you never knew about
>
> > > 'poweremail'.
>
> > >
>
> > > Everything about your reply is so contradictory, and despite the nice
>
> > > laugh this mail gave me at the end of tiring day (thankful to you for
>
> > > that), I would like to stop this mail trail. I am convinced that you
>
> > > will never accept the truth and I have no time to keep proving your
>
> > > false statements false.
>
> > >
>
> > > Remember that what Open ERP SA is today is not what your copyright
> claims
>
> > > it to be, its what your partners and the community makes it to be. The
>
> > > day is not far when the competition you try to deny (Tryton) will be
>
> > > much ahead in popularity as well, it already crossed to be a better
>
> > > framework than Open ERP when you guys were busy trying to have SQL
>
> > > Alchemy inside Open ERP ORM. I have a humble request: Please dont
> insult
>
> > > Tryton then by adding it to your manipulated
>
> > > http://evaluation-matrix.com/
>
> > >
>
> > > Apologies if I have been a bit out of topic, but I guess it is
> necessary
>
> > > for you to understand because you seem to be too disconnected from the
>
> > > real world (from the fact that you are not on any such mailing lists or
>
> > > communication channels and never even knew about a popular community
>
> > > module's functionality after a presentation was conducted in you head
>
> > > quarters).
>
> > >
>
> > >> Regards,
>
> > >> Mantavya Gajjar
>
> > >> Director
>
> > >> Tiny ERP Private Limited
>
> > >>
>
> > >> On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 15:44 +0100, Sharoon Thomas wrote:
>
> > >> > Hello Fabien,
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > Thanks for this update as well.
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > Its very unfortunate that your India Director has to lie that 'still
> I
>
> > >> > did not check the poweremail module.'
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > Here is a bug he has reported
>
> > >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/poweremail/+bug/428568
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > I am not sure you can report a bug/feature of the above nature
> without
>
> > >> > testing and using poweremail.
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > I do not want to take these allegations personally but i think it is
>
> > >> > important to justify your intentions. You can look at the same bug
> and
>
> > >> > you will note that the person has tried to put it as a hidden bug
>
> > >> > (security vulnerability). I made it a public bug because I don't see
>
> > >> > anything so private in it.
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > I leave it to Open ERP SA to decide why he had to do it and the
> truth
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > of these claims.
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > I leave it to the programmers and techies who work everyday on these
>
> > >> > very programs to further decide the originality of code too. Anyway,
>
> > >> > copying has never been new to OpenERP. Just taking references to
> Tree
>
> > >> > view buttons, the wizard to google map lookup idea etc. [This is not
>
> > >> > for a second set of arguments to begin!]
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > Atleast Fabien, its great relief to know that you are not aware of
>
> > >> > these.
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > Thanks,
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > NB: I have remarked a copy of the mail to the same groups that were
>
> > >> > addressed these questions to ensure that there are no broken
>
> > >> > conversations in the archives.
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Fabien Pinckaers <fp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > wrote:
>
> > >> > Hello,
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > I asked the developer if he took some code from poweremail
>
> > >> > without
>
> > >> > putting the copyright. Check his answer bellow.
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > So, it's not injustice, plagiarism, or insult of your work.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > >>
>
> > >> > Hello Fabien,
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > Yes I confirm that I did not took a single line or character
>
> > >> > from the
>
> > >> > power email, not even for the reference, still I did not check
>
> > >> > the
>
> > >> > poweremail module.
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > I have just convert the old fetchmail module which was written
>
> > >> > by the
>
> > >> > hmo's team and that purely converted (with major change to
>
> > >> > make it very
>
> > >> > simple user-friendly email object) from email_gateway.py
>
> > >> > script of crm
>
> > >> > module.
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > Changes I have applied
>
> > >> > * Use the same code of fetching email - the one which was
>
> > >> > exist
>
> > >> > * Make it very simple user-friendly email object
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > - body = mail.get('body', '')
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > * Integrate with ServerAction - Auto Reply
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > Aim was to have a very simple module, easy to configure and
>
> > >> > use the
>
> > >> > maximum what we already have in the server addons and
>
> > >> > framework
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > Regards,
>
> > >> > M Gajjar
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > --
>
> > >> > Fabien Pinckaers
>
> > >> > CEO OpenERP
>
> > >> > Chaussée de Namur 40
>
> > >> > B-1367 Grand-Rosière
>
> > >> > Belgium
>
> > >> > Phone: +32.81.81.37.00
>
> > >> > Fax: +32.81.73.35.01
>
> > >> > Web: http://openerp.com
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> > --
>
> > >> > Sharoon Thomas
>
> > >> > Business Analyst & Open Source ERP Consultant
>
> > >> > CEO @ http://openlabs.co.in
>
> > >> >
>
> > >> >_______________________________________________
>
> > >> >
>
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>
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>
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>
> > >> --
>
> > >> Mantavya Gajjar <mga@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> > >> Tiny ERP Private Limited
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > >
>
> > > --
>
> > > Sharoon Thomas
>
> > > Business Analyst & Open Source ERP Consultant
>
> > > CEO @ http://openlabs.co.in
>
>
> --
>
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