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[Pedro Manuel Baeza Romero <pedro.baeza@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi, Ray, let's catch that positivity you mention as the end of this debate.

See you soon by these places!

Regards.


2013/10/22 Ray Carnes <rcarnes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

> Hi Pedro,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the clarification.
>
>
>
> If I see an email that I think will damage my ability to sell services
> with OpenERP, because I think it doesn’t accurately portray the attitude
> and approach I see from so many partners , I want to politely and
> respectfully ask those writing it to consider how it may affect others.
>
>
>
> People are joining this community every day.  Some of them are seeing
> slides created by OpenERP partners with very strong and ‘over-reacted’
> messages on websites who’s only purpose is to spread FUD about OpenERP.
>  Our competitors seize on these things to make OpenERP look bad.  Some of
> the community read the emails that get sent out and wonder how cohesive the
> community really is.  Some of them (my customers) ask why there is such a
> violent reaction from the community about the res.partner model changes in
> the last release and if it is a sign that OpenERP is not ‘ready’ for them
> to use.
>
>
>
> This is bad for my business, and probably for others.    Healthy debate is
> required, refusing to consider anyone else’s’ perspective but your own
> (demanding to be ‘right’) is damaging.
>
>
>
> Rafael is one of the biggest assets OpenERP has – but can also be one of
> the biggest liabilities also (I’ve heard this from my customers).  I like
> most of what Rafael does, but not all.
>
>
>
> I prefer to think of what ‘I’ am doing is sharing my perspective (and I
> don’t take it too seriously – I just want to make sure the praise for the
> community and for OpenERP is shared as often as the criticisms).  I want
> positivity!
>
>
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> Everyone is free to say whatever they want – including me!
>
>
>
> Thanks for the time you took reading my email!
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>
>
> Ray.
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>
>
> *From:* Pedro Manuel Baeza Romero [mailto:pedro.baeza@xxxxxxxxx]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2013 3:45 PM
> *To:* Ray Carnes; openerp-community
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Openerp-community] Network Audit Module
>
>
>
> Thank you Ray for the explanation, and let me make a copy to the whole
> list.
>
> When I said Eric, maybe I meant also you, because your two e-mails are a
> little - please allow me this expression - over-reacted. It's clear that
> not everyone is happy with OpenERP S.A. attitude, but, hey, everyone here
> is trying to contribute and get a wonderful ecosystem around the core. The
> other day I wrote in this list that I love the way community repositories
> are growing, and this is due to the great collaboration that a lot of
> people is doing, including for example Raphaël himself.
>
> Maybe that word was a little malicious, but I think it's an escape method
> that everyone has used some time (irony, sarcasm, and so on..). Please
> don't take it too much seriously.
>
> Let's continue this great thing!
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> 2013/10/22 Ray Carnes <rcarnes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Hi Pedro,
>
>
>
> Eric is responding to my two emails that I wrote after reading the word
> ‘banned’ in P. Christeas’ comment at the bottom of this email thread, after
> reading the word ‘resistance’ in a comment Rafael Valyi wrote earlier today.
>
>
>
> If you read from the bottom up, you will understand his comment.
>
>
> Ray.
>
>
>
> *From:* Openerp-community [mailto:openerp-community-bounces+rcarnes=
> ursainfosystems.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Pedro Manuel
> Baeza Romero
> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2013 3:27 PM
> *To:* openerp-community
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Openerp-community] Network Audit Module
>
>
>
> Hi, Eric, I don't understand why are you talking about this. Is there
> something I have missed?
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> 2013/10/22 Eric Caudal <eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> This is not a perfect world and you have to play with the cards you are
> given indeed.
> Not contributing because of "OpenERP sa" is finally a double penalty...
> (they are not perfect but they have made as well a lot of good as well and
> not contributing doesnot help solving their mistakes)
>
> Eric Caudal
>
> *CEO*
>
> --
>
> *Elico Corporation, Shanghai branch*
>
> *OpenERP Premium Certified Training Partner *
>
> Cell: + 86 186 2136 1670
>
> Office: + 86 21 6211 8017/27/37
>
> Skype: elico.corp
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> eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> http://www.elico-corp.com
>
>
>
> On 10/22/2013 04:29 AM, Ray Carnes wrote:
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> I've already heard back from one of you that thinks I am naïve.  I don't
>
> agree.
>
>
>
> Are you a football fan?
>
>
>
> Three referees were talking.  One had just finished calling his first
>
> game, the next had been working for 20 years, the last was about to
>
> retire.  The youngest and newest said he had learned he had to call the
>
> penalties AS HE SAW THEM.  The second laughed and said he did that too
>
> when he was first in the game, but now he called the penalties AS THEY
>
> ARE.  While the younger ref thought this was interesting, the retiring ref
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> laughed at both of them and said he knew by now that THERE IS NO PENALTY
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> UNTIL I CALL IT A PENALTY.
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> My point?
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>
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> I understand - I do.  I've heard a lot of the dirty laundry from others.
>
> I know there are a lot of upset people in the community.  I know we are
>
> the 'new kids' on the block.
>
>
>
> I stand by what I wrote - even though there has been wasted energy in the
>
> past, it is YOUR choice to be frustrated with OpenERP and keep that from
>
> making you even more successful than you are.
>
>
>
> They are doing the best with what they have - they aren't perfect and they
>
> are not scheming to make you waste time on purpose.  They are just doing
>
> 'things' and you are making these things into frustrations and wasted
>
> energy.
>
>
>
> Hey - I hated my parents for 40 years before I realized they just did what
>
> they did, they didn't mean to upset me, frustrate me or make me feel bad -
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> they just made choices.  'I' was the one who gave those choices meanings.
>
>
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> You have the choice - you can choose to continue to feel like they are the
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> 'bad' guys or you can spend your energy making things better.   It is only
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> a penalty if you call it a penalty.
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>
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> I wish everyone the very best with OpenERP and everything else you all do.
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> I will still think this way in 15 years, no matter what OpenERP does.
>
>
>
> Ray.
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Ray Carnes [mailto:rcarnes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <rcarnes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:43 PM
>
> To: 'P. Christeas'; 'Markus Schneider'; 'sharoon.thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
>
> Cc: 'openerp-community@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
>
> Subject: RE: [Openerp-community] Network Audit Module
>
>
>
> I'd like to welcome everyone who feels slighted by OpenERP S.A back to the
>
> ONE SINGLE PRODUUCTIVE AND COOPERATIVE OpenERP Community.
>
>
>
> I see a lot of frustrated comments and I presume there is a lot of energy
>
> spent in ways that could be re-directed for the benefit of all of us.
>
>
>
> We can't change the world without EVERYONE's help folks!  Together we can
>
> make OpenERP the best ERP in the world.  As individuals, factions and
>
> infighters we can't.
>
>
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> Our customers (and potential customers) notice this and so do our
>
> competitors.
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>
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> 'banned' and 'resistance' - has that approach really been working that
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> well for you?  It is getting you what you want?
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>
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> 'teamwork' and 'understanding' - these approaches have been working REALLY
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> well for me and the company I work for.   OpenERP has provided a platform
>
> that has helped us TRIPLE the size of our company in 12 months.
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>
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> I encourage you to 'come back'...
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> Things just happen, they aren't meant as attacks on what you believe in...
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> Don't take it personally, don't take your toys and go home sad and mad -
>
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> be part of the solution that benefits everyone. (please!)
>
>
>
> Ray Carnes,
>
> Ursa Information Systems
>
> OpenERP Gold Partner
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Openerp-community
>
> [mailto:openerp-community-bounces+rcarnes=ursainfosystems.com@lists.launch <openerp-community-bounces+rcarnes=ursainfosystems.com@lists.launch>
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> pad.net] On Behalf Of P. Christeas
>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:07 PM
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> To: Markus Schneider; sharoon.thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Cc: openerp-community@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Subject: Re: [Openerp-community] Network Audit Module
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>
>
> On Monday 21 October 2013, Markus Schneider wrote:
>
> is there any list of 'interesting' OpenERP Branches like this one?
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>
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> There is even some "banned" ones, that SA. will not want you to ever know
>
> of..
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