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[Raphael Valyi <rvalyi@xxxxxxxxx>]

I see a lot extrapolations going here. But just to clarify a few things,
the OCA branches I mentioned here to answer Markus:
https://doc.openerp.com/contribute/02_working_in_teams/#community-contributor-teams
do not work against anybody. Instead they are very much complementary to
what the OpenERP SA company does. There are the prolongation of the
extra-addons old branches into something sustainable.
There are more offensive branches around, but at least I want to make sure
there is no misunderstanding in the branches of modules I mentioned to
Markus.
I was kind of joking by using the word "resistance" to underline that this
isn't "official" stuff in these times of certification bigotry, but may be
I shouldn't have done it.

Instead of making stories, some would be welcome in helping that community
work as too few people do it today. Commercial success is cool of course,
but it doesn't necessarily translate to software solutions very
efficiently. Sometimes getting straight to the point is just as efficient
or even more as the open source model tends to prove in general.

And remember, freedom to see code and criticize it and propose better
alternatives is the the biggest asset of open source, this is the very
reason why open source usually tend to produce better quality over
competitors that may look commercially organised but fail to produce as
much quality with as little resource.

About community unity. I think people aren't blind, people who have been
here for some years see that commercial interests, commercial health,
results or even future liabilities end up generating tensions and
frustrations. If you look at the number of people in 6.1 that didn't make
it into 7.0 for instance, this isn't something that one can ignore.
Hiding things is certainly the best way of not fixing anything. So for
myself I prefer letting the sarcasms run free, this is my little
contribution to fixing things ;-) I also got my enthusiastic period as
everybody else, but mine was a few years back.

Regards and happy hacking.


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Ray Carnes <rcarnes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Hi Pedro,
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> Thanks for the clarification.
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> If I see an email that I think will damage my ability to sell services
> with OpenERP, because I think it doesn’t accurately portray the attitude
> and approach I see from so many partners , I want to politely and
> respectfully ask those writing it to consider how it may affect others.
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>
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> People are joining this community every day.  Some of them are seeing
> slides created by OpenERP partners with very strong and ‘over-reacted’
> messages on websites who’s only purpose is to spread FUD about OpenERP.
>  Our competitors seize on these things to make OpenERP look bad.  Some of
> the community read the emails that get sent out and wonder how cohesive the
> community really is.  Some of them (my customers) ask why there is such a
> violent reaction from the community about the res.partner model changes in
> the last release and if it is a sign that OpenERP is not ‘ready’ for them
> to use.
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> This is bad for my business, and probably for others.    Healthy debate is
> required, refusing to consider anyone else’s’ perspective but your own
> (demanding to be ‘right’) is damaging.
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> Rafael is one of the biggest assets OpenERP has – but can also be one of
> the biggest liabilities also (I’ve heard this from my customers).  I like
> most of what Rafael does, but not all.
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> I prefer to think of what ‘I’ am doing is sharing my perspective (and I
> don’t take it too seriously – I just want to make sure the praise for the
> community and for OpenERP is shared as often as the criticisms).  I want
> positivity!
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> Everyone is free to say whatever they want – including me!
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> Thanks for the time you took reading my email!
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> Ray.
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> *From:* Pedro Manuel Baeza Romero [mailto:pedro.baeza@xxxxxxxxx]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2013 3:45 PM
> *To:* Ray Carnes; openerp-community
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> *Subject:* Re: [Openerp-community] Network Audit Module
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> Thank you Ray for the explanation, and let me make a copy to the whole
> list.
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> When I said Eric, maybe I meant also you, because your two e-mails are a
> little - please allow me this expression - over-reacted. It's clear that
> not everyone is happy with OpenERP S.A. attitude, but, hey, everyone here
> is trying to contribute and get a wonderful ecosystem around the core. The
> other day I wrote in this list that I love the way community repositories
> are growing, and this is due to the great collaboration that a lot of
> people is doing, including for example Raphaël himself.
>
> Maybe that word was a little malicious, but I think it's an escape method
> that everyone has used some time (irony, sarcasm, and so on..). Please
> don't take it too much seriously.
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> Let's continue this great thing!
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> Regards.
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> 2013/10/22 Ray Carnes <rcarnes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Hi Pedro,
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> Eric is responding to my two emails that I wrote after reading the word
> ‘banned’ in P. Christeas’ comment at the bottom of this email thread, after
> reading the word ‘resistance’ in a comment Rafael Valyi wrote earlier today.
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>
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> If you read from the bottom up, you will understand his comment.
>
>
> Ray.
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>
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> *From:* Openerp-community [mailto:openerp-community-bounces+rcarnes=
> ursainfosystems.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Pedro Manuel
> Baeza Romero
> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2013 3:27 PM
> *To:* openerp-community
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>
> *Subject:* Re: [Openerp-community] Network Audit Module
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> Hi, Eric, I don't understand why are you talking about this. Is there
> something I have missed?
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> Regards.
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> 2013/10/22 Eric Caudal <eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> This is not a perfect world and you have to play with the cards you are
> given indeed.
> Not contributing because of "OpenERP sa" is finally a double penalty...
> (they are not perfect but they have made as well a lot of good as well and
> not contributing doesnot help solving their mistakes)
>
> Eric Caudal
>
> *CEO*
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> --
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> *Elico Corporation, Shanghai branch*
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> *OpenERP Premium Certified Training Partner *
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> eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> On 10/22/2013 04:29 AM, Ray Carnes wrote:
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> I've already heard back from one of you that thinks I am naïve.  I don't
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> agree.
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> Are you a football fan?
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> Three referees were talking.  One had just finished calling his first
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> game, the next had been working for 20 years, the last was about to
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> retire.  The youngest and newest said he had learned he had to call the
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> penalties AS HE SAW THEM.  The second laughed and said he did that too
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> when he was first in the game, but now he called the penalties AS THEY
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> ARE.  While the younger ref thought this was interesting, the retiring ref
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> laughed at both of them and said he knew by now that THERE IS NO PENALTY
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> UNTIL I CALL IT A PENALTY.
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> My point?
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> I understand - I do.  I've heard a lot of the dirty laundry from others.
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> I know there are a lot of upset people in the community.  I know we are
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> the 'new kids' on the block.
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> I stand by what I wrote - even though there has been wasted energy in the
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> past, it is YOUR choice to be frustrated with OpenERP and keep that from
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> making you even more successful than you are.
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> They are doing the best with what they have - they aren't perfect and they
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> are not scheming to make you waste time on purpose.  They are just doing
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> 'things' and you are making these things into frustrations and wasted
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> energy.
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> Hey - I hated my parents for 40 years before I realized they just did what
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> they did, they didn't mean to upset me, frustrate me or make me feel bad -
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> they just made choices.  'I' was the one who gave those choices meanings.
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> You have the choice - you can choose to continue to feel like they are the
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> 'bad' guys or you can spend your energy making things better.   It is only
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> a penalty if you call it a penalty.
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> I wish everyone the very best with OpenERP and everything else you all do.
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> I will still think this way in 15 years, no matter what OpenERP does.
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> Ray.
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> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Ray Carnes [mailto:rcarnes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <rcarnes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:43 PM
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> To: 'P. Christeas'; 'Markus Schneider'; 'sharoon.thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
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> Cc: 'openerp-community@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
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> Subject: RE: [Openerp-community] Network Audit Module
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> I'd like to welcome everyone who feels slighted by OpenERP S.A back to the
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> ONE SINGLE PRODUUCTIVE AND COOPERATIVE OpenERP Community.
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> I see a lot of frustrated comments and I presume there is a lot of energy
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> spent in ways that could be re-directed for the benefit of all of us.
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> We can't change the world without EVERYONE's help folks!  Together we can
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> make OpenERP the best ERP in the world.  As individuals, factions and
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> infighters we can't.
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> Our customers (and potential customers) notice this and so do our
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> competitors.
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> 'banned' and 'resistance' - has that approach really been working that
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> well for you?  It is getting you what you want?
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> 'teamwork' and 'understanding' - these approaches have been working REALLY
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> well for me and the company I work for.   OpenERP has provided a platform
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> that has helped us TRIPLE the size of our company in 12 months.
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> I encourage you to 'come back'...
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> Things just happen, they aren't meant as attacks on what you believe in...
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> Don't take it personally, don't take your toys and go home sad and mad -
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> be part of the solution that benefits everyone. (please!)
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> Ray Carnes,
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> Ursa Information Systems
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> OpenERP Gold Partner
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Openerp-community
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> [mailto:openerp-community-bounces+rcarnes=ursainfosystems.com@lists.launch <openerp-community-bounces+rcarnes=ursainfosystems.com@lists.launch>
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> pad.net] On Behalf Of P. Christeas
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> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:07 PM
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> To: Markus Schneider; sharoon.thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Cc: openerp-community@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Subject: Re: [Openerp-community] Network Audit Module
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> On Monday 21 October 2013, Markus Schneider wrote:
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> is there any list of 'interesting' OpenERP Branches like this one?
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> There is even some "banned" ones, that SA. will not want you to ever know
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> of..
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