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[Robin <robinstc@xxxxxxxxxx>]

In the post below, I believe that the complexities of translation have 
lead to a complaint of OpenERP's lack of /*orthodox */features. I am 
almost certain that the the actual criticism is of a lack of 
/*orthogonality*/.

Orthogonality is a valuable and desirable feature of any computer 
language or programming environment.

To quote from van Wijngaarden on the design of Algol 68,

   /The number of independent primitive concepts has been minimized in
   order that the language be easy to describe, to learn, and to
   implement. On the other hand, these concepts have been applied
   "orthogonally" in order to maximize the expressive power of the
   language while trying to avoid deleterious superfluities./
   *1968, Adriaan van Wijngaarden et al., Revised Report on the
   Algorithmic Language ALGOL 68, section 0.1.2, Orthogonal design*

Sadly, in recent years, we have been inundated with languages and 
programming systems to which the concept of orthogonality is entirely 
foreign. It is rare to come across elegance in the design of a system, 
reviewing code involves wading through what often feels like an 
arbitrary melange of structural and presentation tropes.

Python, for all its attractive, and frequently clever, functionality, is 
often infuriating for those coders who are new to it.  The lack of 
explicit delineation of blocks of code in favour of a reliance on how 
the code is laid out on the page is infuriating, at best and is as great 
a weakness in terms of reliability as any of the examples of Fortran 
programming weaknesses leading to catastrophic space exploration failures.

In such an idiosyncratic environment, it behoves all of us to make sure 
that there are /*always explicit examples*/ of how to achieve common 
coding and implementation tasks. With better examples, we might all have 
been spared this rather tetchy thread, to read it has not been an 
edifying experience.

Robin St.Clair
On 05/05/2014 11:58, Christian Eichert wrote:
> On 04-05-2014 14:22, Ana Juaristi wrote:
> > People think that OpenERP is something for free since it can be 
> > downloaded from Internet. And it could be like that if you have 
> > enough knowledge to install, manage and even use it but otherwise it 
> > will have always a cost.
> there are other open source programs that simply work out of the box.
> examples are Mozilla, gimp, gnu-cash, jameica .. and so on. web based 
> examples of more or less this dimension is joomla.
>
> > You can select having economical cost, contracting training and/or 
> > support, or your will need expending hours (a lot of hours) learning 
> > by yourself.
> open source and costs have nothing to do with each other
> I do not have costs with Mozilla or Joomla.
> And It will not stop working when I have 4 users.
> I donate 200 US$ per year, but that's another issue. I donate because 
> I feel so.
>
> Open source MUST live from donations.
> If you want to sell it you must close it. (the source, not the company)
> All companies who tried this compromise to let the community do the 
> job and sell it afterwards have ended up catastrophic
>
> > It's like... I will give you materials and planes for free...
> That's the problem the planes are wrong or nonexistent.
> I spent a day to find out that the table where the "active" check box 
> in hr is saved is not hr_employee where it should be logical but in  
> resource_resource
> Its not orthodox.
> Its the same issue with debian and ubuntu.
> Debian is orthodox, you know where to look if you search for something.
> In Ubuntu the milk is at the toilet. and the toilet paper is in the 
> tree in front of the house, but you first have to uninstall 50% of 
> empty milk canes.
> And that is the same with openerp. Its a undocumented chaos.
> No comments, no docs.
> And everybody who knows something is trying to sell this knowledge for 
> money.
>
> > now... build the house. 
> but that is not my job, I am the user. I am supposed to USE it. Not to 
> develop it.
> Open Source does not mean everybody is a developer or will not be able 
> to use it.
>
> > If you are expert building houses... you are lucky. 
> Then I can write my own application.
>
> Don't get me wrong, maybe I would hire a expert to help me.
> But I am scared to do so, because he is hungry, and all he is thinking 
> off is how to write a bigger bill.
> Or how he can place a troian to find out how many user i have to write 
> a higher bill , because with 5 users now I MUST PAY MOOOOORE
>
>
>
>
> /Mit freundlichen Grüssen/
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