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[Eric Caudal <eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

n 11/18/2013 05:01 PM, Frédéric Clementi wrote:
> Hello guys,
>
> 2 comments on this :
> 1 - About Prepayment booking : Alexis Delattre did a great job here : 
> lp:~akretion-team/account-closing/70-cutoff-modules. These modules 
> adds dates (start/end) on invoice lines and compute/generate automatic 
> cut-off entries (year-end or month-end). This also includes 
> prepayements of course. And it works for continental accounting and 
> anglo-saxon accounting.... so totally generic. The MP is under review 
> and hope fully should be included into the account-closing community 
> branch.
> 2 - E-commerce prepayment by credit/debit card is something totally 
> different. Nothing to do with cut-off bookings. At Camptocamp we 
> handle this through our connector (http://openerp-connector.com/) 
> which make things easy to set. But in the end, we can handle any 
> e-commerce payment method (cards, cheque, cash, multi-payment...) 
> without specific workflow.  Ex. : A credit card payment can generate a 
> sale order with manual invoicing and invoice generated after delevery. 
> So when the invoice is generated, the accounting booking is  posted 
> and through the connector we can decide if we generate immediately a 
> payment accounting entry. If we so so, the invoice is paid (workflow) 
> but we use an intermediate account for payment instead of a bank account.
That is my problem today. Those modules are great but rely on the 
default AR account which is incorrect in my opinion.
This is not a technical issue (actually Guewen answered perfectly the 
technical question) but an accounting/SOP issue
> Conclusion 2 different topics.
>
>
>
>
> Cordialement,*
>
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> 2013/11/18 Guewen Baconnier <guewen.baconnier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:guewen.baconnier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>
>     Hi,
>
>
>     On 11/16/2013 09:28 AM, Eric Caudal wrote:
>
>         Hi,
>         There is an aspect of OpenERP which seems to not very well
>         implemented
>         while it is wildly spread in accounting practices: prepayment
>         treatment.
>         In many countries (all?), prepayment accounts have to be
>         different from
>         the AR/AP general account for the mere reason that they are on
>         the other
>         side of the BS. This behavior is at least true in China, NZ,
>         UK, AU and
>         probably in any anglo-saxon accounting countries.
>
>         We have created a simple module for this (
>         https://apps.openerp.com/apps/7.0/account_prepayment) to create a
>         separate property for AR and AP prepayments. In every
>         implementation I
>         have in accounting, the prepayment strategy is a problem in
>         standard
>         implementation that we can solve with this very simple module
>         (my point
>         is that this module or similar should be actually a standard
>         module).
>
>         In ecommerce sales strategy where payment is made on website,
>         we can
>         rely on several modules such as sale_payment_method and
>         sale_automatic_workflow to automate the payment. Nevertheless,
>         they rely
>         on the AR account to create the prepayment transaction which in my
>         opinion is not correct.
>         NB: This could probably be even more complex as for certain
>         payment
>         method, account should "Uncleared Payments".
>
>
>     Not sure about that here... Frédéric's opinion is welcome :-)
>
>
>
>         I am thinking of adapting the sale_payment_method to make it
>         dependent
>         on the account_prepayment and add a tickbox "Use prepayment
>         accounts" in
>         payment method and automatic_payment method.
>
>
>     I think that's not the correct way: you should rather create a
>     third module with 'auto_install' on "account_prepayment" and
>     "sale_payment_method", so when both are installed you get the
>     tickbox "Use prepayment accounts".
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     Guewen Baconnier
>     Business Solutions Software Developer
>
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