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["Olivier Dony \(OpenERP\)" <925361@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 02/02/2012 01:50 PM, Gustavo Adrian Marino wrote:
> I fully agree with the concept that dates are timezone agnostic, and thus
> they should be treated as a special case.
> In the example given it is clear the current initialization code is not
> storing HH:MM:SS in the database field. Is not possible to use that fact as
> an indicator we are taking about a timezone agnostic date, a treated
> accordingly on GTK and WEB UI?

Sure, distinguishing the pure date fields from the regular datetime
fields is easy: they are different field types, i.e. declared as
fields.date(...) instead of fields.datetime(), and the client is aware
of that when displaying them.
So we can easily do the right thing for each type - the question is
more: What is the right thing to do? ;-)


> The problem is affecting every place in the system where you are recording
> a date. Thus, and as an example here in Argentina, depending on the time of
> the day, you set a date and magically is converted to the previous day!

Hmm, this should only happen for dates that have been provided by the
system, such as default PO date, etc. It should never happen for dates
that a user would manually enter in a form, as long as the proper
timezone is configured in the user preferences and matches the user's
computer timezone.
Can you confirm this is what you experience?


> Let me say that this problem is a showstopper for any implementation. It
> should be treated as a critical problem, that should be solved before
> publishing the RC as an official version
>
> Please, consider a reevaluation of the priority

We consider this a blocking issue for releasing 6.1 indeed. The new
release will not be published until all Medium (and higher) bugs have
been solved. But this issue only affects the system-provided default
values, and users can manually correct those before saving the new
records, so it is not exactly a form of data corruption. I would say it
is a severe form of misleading and error-prone default values.
I see no issue raising the priority to High if you insist, but at this
point it will not change the way we handle the bug at all...


Thanks everyone for the quick feedback!

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Title:
  [6.1] date values that are initialized as 'defaults' may appear as
  "off by one day" in some countries depending on the time

Status in OpenERP Server:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  This issue was initially discussed on bug 918257. It always existed,
  but was less apparent when addons and framework code were using a
  timezone that was closer to the user's timezone.

  As of 6.1 all addons and framework code is supposed to work
  exclusively with UTC datetime values (as discussed on comment #4 of
  bug 918257), and this means the problem will occur more often.

  Basically, our main issue is that pure date value (without time) can
  never be converted to different timezones, because depending on the
  time they were recorded, the date may still be yesterday in some parts
  of the world, or already tomorrow. Therefore OpenERP clients (Web &
  GTK) cannot (and should not) perform date conversions when displaying
  pure date fields.

  Let me try to explain...

  For datetime values, the conversion to the local timezone is easy to do. Let's say addons code uses the current time to set the value for a datetime field in a new record: 2012-02-02 08:56:00 AM (UTC+00:00).
  The value is converted when it is displayed by the client and will unambiguously be 2012-02-02 09:56:00 PM in Auckland where the timezone offset is +13:00 at that time.

  However when addons code works with dates (without time) to initialize a new record, this is what is stored in the database: 2012-02-02 (UTC+00:00). When that value is displayed to the user, no conversion of timezone can occur because the client has no idea at what time the date was in fact recorded!
  2012-02-02 is correct for an Auckland-based user if the date is recorded before 11:00 AM UTC, but if recorded at 1:00PM it should be 2012-02-03, because Auckland has just passed midnight already. Web/GTK client cannot perform this conversion at all, and must display pure dates as stored in the database.

  Now, I see a few reasonable options to fix this:

  1. We could convert most date fields to be truly datetime fields in the database, and simply set the "display widget" to be a date widget, e.g. 
        <field name="order_date" widget="date"/>
  The field would behave like it does currently, except that the client would have enough information to properly display the local date, as it would know at what time the date was recorded. 

  2. Alternatively we could provide a helper function in the framework to easily let addons code grab the current date value *as the client would see it*. Instead of initializing default values as we do now, i.e.:
   _defaults = {
     # Following gives 2012-02-02 even at 1:00 PM UTC
     'order_date': lambda *a: time.strftime('%Y-%m-%d') 
   }
  we would therefore do it using the user's timezone provided in the context, i.e something like this:
   _defaults = {
     # For users in Auckland the following would give 2012-02-02 until
     # 11:00 AM UTC, and properly return 2012-02-03 afterwards
     'order_date': lambda cr,uid,ctx:self._current_user_date(cr,uid,ctx)
   }

  I tend to favor the second option, which seems simpler and cleaner to me. That would basically mean we break the rule of using only UTC date and time values in addons, and consider that pure date values are timezone agnostic (which is really the case: a date without a time cannot be properly converted to another timezone, ever), or more exactly, that they are only valid in the timezone of the user who created that record.
  Date computation would continue to work fine: adding/subtracting days would works as expected.

  The main limitation with option 2 is that dates cannot would not be
  displayed differently depending on the user's timezone. For
  distributed teams, an invoice created by a user in Auckland on
  '2012-02-03' would appear to be created 'tomorrow' for her colleague
  in New York where the date is still '2012-02-02'. I think this is fine
  and actually expected, we don't want the invoice to be 'floating'
  between one day and the next.

  Any opinions on this?

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