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[Timothy Arceri <t_arceri@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Chris, 
            As mentioned previously due to my location I'm not in a good position to join in on many IRC meetings. I do however have a couple of suggestions\agenda items for consideration.

1. The raring release seems to be targeting a lot of Ubuntu specific items Unity, Ubuntu Software Centre, Ubuntu One Control Panel, USC Application descriptions. Obviously the Hundred Paper Cuts project is here to improve Ubuntu but I feel 4/10 targets that focus only on Ubuntu specific items is to many especially when most of these products are revenue generating products for Canonical I have little motivation to work on them. This is all of course just my opinion. 

I do however have a suggestion for a new target to replace one of these items and that is GTK+. The reason I'm suggesting this package is that while I've been trying to fix bugs for other targets (firefox, nautilus, rythmbox) its turned out that the problem is actually with GTK+ so far this release I've had two GTK fixes commited and have one more patch waiting review. What I think makes GTK+ such a great target for papercuts is that usually the fixes help solve bugs that appear in multiple applications meaning anything we fix has a much bigger impact than if we focused on a specific application. See for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/304345 this bug has it earliest bug report in 2006 and affects many applications as seen in a possible duplicate bug (I'm waiting to see if my patch is accepted before marking as duplicate): 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/697440 ;
Anyway I think you get my point and I would be very interested to see what other high impact GTK bugs we can dig up.

2. My second thing I wanted to mention is in regard to the ex-poser of this project. In the past I've come across postings on websites such as omgubuntu stating that Ubuntu developers are putting the call out for users to list there papercut issues. This is all well and good however it seems to *Always* be when ubuntu is in a beta state and nearing the final release. There seems to be some confusion as users/bloggers assume they are being asked to report usability issues with the beta release. This is a bad thing not only do we get a lot of invalid bugs cause by beta software issues, users feeling like they wasted there time as there bugs are marked invalid (possible discouraging them form contributing i future), but also this is just the entirely wrong time to be asking for users to contribute. For this project we want users to be reporting bugs in a stable release that we can target for the next release, not the opposite which is what currently seems
 to happen.

Anyway these are just two things I wanted to bring up. By the way Chris I think you have done an excellent job so far with bringing this project back to life. Hopefully with continued work we can attract a greater developer presence.

Tim
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From: Chris Wilson <notgary@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Ubuntu Papercuts Ninjas <papercuts-ninja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 1:01 AM
Subject: [Papercuts-ninja] Agenda for the first meeting of the paper cuts team


Hey Ninjas,

Please see my other thread for details about the meeting itself.

I've got a few ideas of what I'd like to talk about, and would welcome anything else that any of you might have. I'd like to have as much of the discussion as possible take place on this list, and we use the meeting to simply finalise what we decide. If you have anything to say about any of this, or any idea you have have yourself, then please go right ahead and start a thread on this list.

A wiki page for the meeting, including the Agenda, can be found here.

What are people's thoughts on all of this?

Chris
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