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[Amos Blanton <amos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Bert,

Great to have you aboard!
You mention not finding a list - that's because it hasn't really existed
until now. You should be able to join the list from the Scratch launchpad
page <https://launchpad.net/%7Escratch> now. The address is :
scratch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(John, Andres - I was thinking this should replace our local "
linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" list, so please join up).

In case it isn't obvious, we're fairly new to launchpad / Ubuntu development
process. ;)

I'm glad you've brought up Squeak-vm issues. Right now the Scratch Debian
package bundles its own version of the VM instead of using the one from the
Ubuntu repositories. We actually tried tweeking the package to use the VM
from the repositories (1.3.9.8-3ubuntu), but there were a few serious
graphics problems that cropped up (sprite images in the sprite area were
semi transparent). It didn't appear as though the version of the Squeak-vm
in the Ubuntu repositories was being actively maintained, so we just use our
bundled one that works. In case it is helpful, here is the version info
associated with the one we're now using:

3.10-4 #1 Tue Feb 17 15:08:23 WIT 2009 gcc 4.3.2
Squeak3.10beta of 22 July 2007 [latest update: #7159]
Linux melati 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Fri Oct 24 06:42:44 UTC 2008 i686
GNU/Linux

We would like to use a VM from the Ubuntu repository because that seems like
a better way to organize things. In addition, we imagine there would also be
a 64 bit version, which would make it easy for us to support 64 bit
platforms. (That's not high on the wish list, but it would be nice.)

One of the features that would be nice to have in the VM would be a way to
pass it an image / icon to use in the window. Currently there is no icon
associated with the one we use, so the top left corner of the Scratch window
has a default application icon (see attached image) instead of a little
Scratch cat head. It'd be great if we could pass the VM an icon at the
command line and have it use that. I imagine this would be nice for EToys as
well?

Thanks for joining the team!
Amos

p.s.  "Michael" has also asked to join the team - I guess he is associated
with Sugar stuff? There's no information on his profile, and I'm still
learning how porous of a boundary to make..Shall I add him?
https://launchpad.net/~michael-john-yabes


On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:34 AM, John Maloney <jmaloney@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Welcome, Bert!
>
> Amos and Andrés have been organizing the Linux/Ubuntu efforts. They can
> probably answer your questions better than I can.
>
> Re: How "open" is this development?
>
> I think I'd call it "by invitation only" right now. Derek has been helping
> with the sound issues. So far, I think we've been using the stock Squeak VM,
> although I'm not sure which version and whether we're getting it from
> squeakvm.org or from an Ubuntu repository. Amos should know...
>
> The Scratch.image file is the same as the Scratch 1.4 image from the
> Win/Mac distributions except for a patch changeset to change the locations
> for the examples, media, and help folders. (We had to change these locations
> to fit with Linux/Ubuntu conventions.) I can send you that changeset.
>
> The Squeak source for the image and plugins is at
> http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Source_Code
>
>        -- John
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:10 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
>  On 29.11.2009, at 20:11, Scratch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Bert Freudenberg,
>>>
>>> The status of your membership in the team Scratch (scratch) was changed
>>> by Lightnin (amos-scratch) from Proposed to Approved.
>>> <https://launchpad.net/~scratch <https://launchpad.net/%7Escratch>>
>>>
>>> Lightnin said:
>>> Hi Bert -
>>> Welcome aboard! Thanks for joining.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, and Hi all :)
>>
>> I'm joining to keep an eye specifically on the Sugar version of Scratch,
>> and to coordinate Squeak VM issues, which is used by both Etoys and Scratch.
>>
>> To get up to speed I looked for the list archives, but could not find them
>> yet, are there any? How "open" is this development?
>>
>> - Bert -
>>
>> PS: For those who do not know me (not sure who's on this list): I am a
>> long-time Squeak contributor, with particular interest in its educational
>> applications, and the Unix VM. I ported Squeak/Etoys to Sugar, the current
>> Scratch version for Sugar is based on that port. I'm a freelancer based in
>> Magdeburg, Germany.
>>
>>
>


-- 
_____
Amos

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