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[Israel <israel@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Ali,
while you were busy, we did 'add' an alternative 'software center'.  It
is actually an apt protocol handler (this means that when you click on a
web link apt://lmms it will install lmms).  I also added a webpage link
to apps.ubuntu.com.
So it isn't exactly adding a new software center, it is really just
letting people install things from the browser (without needing 100kb
space for apturl or the behemoth ubuntu-software-center) it is only
about 15kb or so...


On 04/25/2015 04:31 AM, Ali Linx wrote:
>
>
> On 04/25/2015 06:38 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> Hi Israel,
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to this project (ToriOS? what kind of name is that?) so slow
> down with me :P
>>
>> Would it be interesting to have LSC as an option in the installed system
>> (tarball) of ToriOS (without the database (~80 MB))? It might be
>> bug-fixed in such a way, that it will suit for this purpose - that the
>> database will be created the first time the program is run.
> Day by day, I find that ToriOS has gone a bit of track :)
>
> When ToriOS was started, the idea was to provide the extra minimal
> system ever!
>
> Also, I have showed my interest to stay away from Lubuntu as much as
> possible. I have personal reasons and I have logical general reasons
> to be super extra very honest :)
>
> A side from all the above, Terminal does exist + Synaptic does exist =
> why would we go for the 3rd alternative to install a package/software?
> that's way too much, if you ask me!
>
> While I am NOT a developer and while I had and still have my OWN
> real-life battle/war, that does not mean I am off when it comes to
> decide the best for ToriOS ;)
>
> No offense taken from my side and I hope nothing from your side,
> everyone but such decisions (add/remove) stuff should be either:
>
> Referred back to me and/or Israel
>
> Or
>
> We vote for :)
>
> Speaking from long experience, sometimes, voting is not really
> smart/good idea.
>
> That said, I'd call this case closed and stay away from a 3rd
> alternative to install any package :)
>
> However, I'd like to see what other things here ;)
> I hate to be a dictator :P
>
> Thank you, everyone!
>
>
>>
>> See the following correspondence:
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>> ___________________________________
>>
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/1446830
>>
>>
>> Jörn Schönyan (joern-schoenyan) wrote on 2015-04-23:     #35
>>
>> Hi Nio,
>>
>> 1. it is way faster, really a big difference. USC was made a bit faster,
>> but it's still not comparable to LSC.
>> 2. I guess most Lubuntu users are using it, but alternate iso installs
>> are quite rare. And as the DB is regenerated from time to time, nobody
>> noticed that issue.
>> 3. It's working fine mostly and doesn't take much space, so I think we
>> should keep it. Remember, LSC was the thing how I came to Lubuntu ;-)
>>
>> @Walter: we could redesign it, yes. It could use Appstream data, like
>> the future Lubuntu/LXQt software center will. But it would be really a
>> lot of work and we don't have the manpower, I think. I think "Won't fix"
>> is the only solution in our position. Would only be worth the effort if
>> other flavours would like to adopt LSC - Ubuntu GNOME wants it, but only
>> as an interim solution. Xubuntu doesn't want it, so I think it will be
>> abandoned (more or less) soon.
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Vidarebefordrat meddelande --------
>> Ämne: Re: LSC
>> Datum: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:32:21 +0200
>> Från: Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Till: Jörn Schönyan <joern.schoenyan@xxxxxx>
>>
>> Den 2015-04-23 21:16, Nio Wiklund skrev:
>>> Hi Jörn,
>>>
>>> Continuing the discussion privately from:
>>>
>>> ---
>>> "OK, let us call it "won't fix" now.
>>>
>>> I would suggest that Jörn and I discuss the issue privately and maybe
>>> agree about the details and after that ask Julien (gilir) to help us
>>> add
>>> such a file when creating the alternate iso file. I guess there is a
>>> set
>>> of scripts (similar to (but more advanced than) what I use to create
>>> 9w), and if that is the case, it is straightforward to create a file
>>> (which can be empty, just have a specified path/name). Jörn and I might
>>> also find a better solution, that needs nothing beyond what can be
>>> included in he LSC package."
>>> ---
>>>
>>> I think the details are best discussed privately rather than via the
>>> bug
>>> report
>>>
>>> You mentioned that the database is small, way too small to be the
>>> correct one in comment #23 of the bug report #1446830:
>>>
>>> ---
>>> "No, it is clearly a design flaw. While the DB is being generated, it
>>> drops every package without installation candidate. On the alternate
>>> install, there are no informations about the avaible packages so
>>> everything is dropped, if it isn't installed. That is why DB is that
>>> small, it should be around 80 megs (see #2).
>>>
>>> Running apt-get update as postinst would have no effect if no internet
>>> connection is avaible (not sure if it works with internet). To be
>>> honest, I don't see a good fix for this. We could avoid dropping of
>>> entries without installation candidate, but that would mean that
>>> uninstallable packages appear in LSC."
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Can the decision to regenerate the database be triggered by the
>>> combination of
>>>
>>> (smaller database than a certain size) && (access to the internet)
>>>
>>> when running the LSC. So effectively, it would happen the first time
>>> the
>>> user runs LSC is systems installed by the alternate iso file.
>>>
>>> I think it would be possible for you to tell what should be the
>>> threshold or size of the database for triggering the regeneration?
>>>
>>> Maybe the threshold can be 'in the middle' between a typical 'too small
>>> size' and a typical 'full size database'. As a temporary bugfix it need
>>> not last forever, but might last at least until the next LTS release.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>> Hi again Jörn,
>>
>> If you really would prefer a separate file as a flag, please tell me
>> what would be a good path and name of that file, and I will ask Julien
>> Lavergne to create such a file (it can be an empty file) with the
>> alternate installer. I'm not sure that he would do it, but it should be
>> easy for him, if wants to help us.
>>
>> The reason I ask, if the size of the database would be enough to
>> determine the need of regeneration, is that it would make us less
>> dependent of help from Julien.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>> ___________________________________
>>
>>
>


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Regards

-Israel
ToriOS Team