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[Israel <israel@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Nio,
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On 06/02/2015 07:58 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Den 2015-06-02 14:29, Nio Wiklund skrev:
> ...
>> Hi Israel,
>>
>> I haven't got the kernel package or the system for getting it. Ask Phill
>> about that. What I have is an application with it. I might look for and
>> find the URL where I downloaded it. If Phill does not reply soon, just
>> ask me, and I'll look for it!
Ok!  I will e-mail him, he never seems to get back to my e-mails
though... is there an alternate e-mail (e-mail privately so it doesn't
get stuck to the list)
>> And yes, I meant that you can install it and test it. If nothing else,
>> hands on experience that Phill's trusty non-pae kernel really works,
>> gives you a feeling that it is not only feasible, it is a real thing,
>> without much effort from you.
Hi, I figured this is what you meant, but I wasn't sure if you
mistakenly sent me a wrong link on Phill's server
>> You can set a virtual machine (e.g. in VirtualBox) to be non-pae, and
>> test that it works (like Jack Trice is testing ToriOS). I have tested it
>> in my IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M. It works without fake-pae and
>> without forcepae (and without complaints) :-)
I already do this with ToriOS as well, just to make sure the non pae
thing works
>> The next step is to modify it, if you want to, but I remember that Phill
>> had to work quite hard to make it work at all, and after that to make it
>> work in live systems.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
> Hi again Israel,
>
> On the other hand, I think there are so few non-pae machines that you
> might skip them and cater for the Pentium M and Celeron M processors
> with trusty's built-in forcepae boot option.
This is up to Ali's judgement.  He is insisting on non pae support
> I have searched for real non-pae machines via the Ubuntu Forums and it
> is almost impossible. But there is a fair number of 'fake-pae' machines
> (with Pentium M and Celeron M processors that have pae capability but
> lack a pae flag), even though they are also getting scarce as years pass by.
>
> -o-
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
>
> 'PAE was first implemented in the Intel Pentium Pro in 1995,[1] although
> the accompanying chipsets usually lacked support for the required extra
> address bits.[2]'
>
> So I think it is enough to have a non-pae kernel in ToriOS 1, which will
> get updated packages until April 2017 (22 years after pae was introduced).
>
> -o-
>
> Finally, I think it is very important to discuss this item at the ToriOS
> Saturday meetings, so that the active members at the meeting agree what
> to do. So I cc this mail to torios-dev. Now you know what I think about
> it :-)
Ali asked about this at the last meeting, and is pretty set on non pae
support
> Best regards
> Nio


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-Israel
ToriOS Team