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On 02/20/2014 06:02 PM, William wrote:
To be perfectly honest, I don't think people know what they are voting on or why. The website is the last of your worries when you still need to settle on a DE and installer. You should consider scrapping this vote altogether, then let Israel develop for a week, quietly and uninterrupted, and whatever he comes back with you can start judging and requesting changes on. I watch the mailing list, and website development looks like it's getting micro-managed and as someone who personally spent a decade working in IT, I can promise you that's a bad thing. The mind of a project manager (you) and the mind of a developer (Israel) are not on the same wavelength. Give him and the website issue space for a week, and don't even worry about it while you address more important issues like what the components of your distro are going to be and how they fit together. Your product.You refer to this as fun, and that's all fine and stuff, but don't make a game out of it - it is serious business.Just some advice from someone who has seen how these things go down in the corporate world - time and time again, for better and for worse.William On 02/20/2014 04:31 AM, Ali Linx wrote:Hi, On 02/16/2014 06:35 PM, Ali Linx wrote:Hi everyone,It is time to take our website from the Alpha Phase to the Beta Phase. In order to do that, we do need your feedback:http://torios.org/news/website-feedback/ Thank you!Note: Please do not reply this email but rather click on the above link and send your feedback as explained in there :)-- Ali/amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawadSo, the list is super quiet, ha? I see ... thought to break the ice and send something :P15 responses ONLY!!!Hmmm, should we stop and carry on? how long do I have to wait for more votes? it seems choosing a logo was more fun for people than voting for our website :(Let me know and sorry I couldn't login to IRC for two nights .. I have bad pain on my neck and shoulder and I am sure you know why :PI know, I know ... save it hehehe REPLY :D I am waiting for your opinion about the vote .... -- Ali/amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad
Hi everyone!This is not the week for me to spend on a website. I am busy with something else right now (LMMS), and on top of that I have 3 sick kids, as well as myself. I think Ali has had some struggles getting across his vision for the website. I do believe this should remain fun, and also harmless. I do not want this to turn into a 'job' where we all have to perform to some standard (beside our own desire to make something of high quality). I appreciate the gesture behind this thought, though William. I understand that you have had frustrations in some situations that are similar. I have felt torn between different ideas, and I have tried to capture what I had perceived as Ali's vision for the site. I do agree that the DE should take precedence over the website for now. I have had no time to try again to download and install the 12.04 mini ISO. In my experience JWM has been the quickest and lightest WM out there, but I think we need a DE. I don't mean a DE in the sense of LXDE/Gnome/KDE/etc.. etc.. I mean that we need an entire environment. We need to handle USB auto-mounting. We need to handle the desktop (icons are something XP users can rely on heavily) We need to have core components, like a file manager (which can handle the other two things usually). This may require Alex to do some serious work. Some sort of small light C/C++ program with FLTK (is there a tool kit that is lighter?) to configure the panel and windows, etc.. Or something to automatically handle changing the wallpaper in JWM. Something to handle automounting as well. This would require 'creating' a JWM DE. Of course I am simply assuming JWM is the best (which I think it is based on the memory requirements, and its simple beauty).
I think our whole focus should shift to the DE priority (as William also stated). A website without a product is simply not important. I really appreciate each one of you, and all the hard work you are doing. I have been absent from IRC, and you all may have this stuff figured out. But, I needed to let everyone know that I cannot spend the time to work on a website right now, and I also think it would be wiser to focus on the 'product' we intend to create.
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