ubuntu-eg-council team mailing list archive

[Ahmed Shams <ashams@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 25 March 2012 00:35, Ahmed Toulan <thelinuxer@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Ahmed Shams <ahmedkhattabshams@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
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>> On 24 March 2012 04:03, Ahmed Toulan <thelinuxer@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>> Hi guys,
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>>> I tried launchpad python api, and I tried the following:
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>>> 1. I created a new team on launchpad. (ubuntu-eg-test)
>>> 2. Added asham to the team.
>>> 3. Was able to set expiration date on both ubuntu-eg and ubuntu-eg-test
>>> members.
>>>
>>> This gives us both options to set expiration date for all members or
>>> move them to a new team.
>>>
>>> Just filling you in ya Shams cause you didn't attend the meeting. We
>>> were talking about how ubuntu-eg team is becoming really useless, and one
>>> use for it was to add official members when they get approved.
>>>
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>> Thanks for heads up.
>> Well, it's not very useless 3ala fekra, it's our body :D people should
>> find it very easy to join and get *belonging* to us. If we depend on
>> persons to work so they get membership we'll fade out, cuz this kind of
>> activism is new to our society, I think ppl need to spend months around
>> before they're potentially active.
>> So, what if we make ppl at ~ubuntu-eg are ueg members and ppl on
>> ~ubuntu-eg-core are those flame active persons with membership status. So,
>> we this way mesh hane7rem elnas men el-easy belonging feature, I weigh it
>> the same as *welcomness* virtue we have in Ubuntu community..
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> How is that different from moving the current ubuntu-eg members to a new
> group and make ubuntu-eg ?
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cuz the word 'Member' confuses with the standard member, the ordinary
joiner.
In essence, I depend on one idea: As we are feeling ~ubuntu-eg becomes more
useless, let's not try to change it but rather to set the lights back on
it, and thus it restores it's stand. This can happen by, integrating
joining the team on lp with the website, maybe by dropping the mentorship
thing into it's ML and so on. So, instead of taking losing it's
significance as a fact and we go on that, we recover it...
'Core' is different from 'Membership' because, with core everybody is a
member but someppl are flaming active and others waiting for the chance.
With 'Membership' "name", ppl will start to ask; so what ~ubuntu-eg is
there for? exactly as we do now. got it this way?



> I don't agree that it's our body.
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I understand that from this pov it's completely useless, but from another
it's where everybody exists, so flushing/moving it won't fix it.


> Nothing is really done after someone joins this group. We have never sent
> a single email to the group members.
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That's because we've separate ML from the team, if ubuntu MLs integrate
with launchpad, it'll be there where all the fun happens. also, I don't
think this is how we should look at it.


> And about the welcomeness part. Part are more than welcomed to join FGs.
> And all our channels of course.
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They need to be considered members, all other channels doesn't give this
feature except for the lp team.


> Please elaborate more if I didn't understand you.
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>>> But the problem was that we can't set expiration date for everyone and
>>> we can't move members from this team to another (from launchpad interface).
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>>> So now the proposed solutions are:
>>> 1. Set default expiration date say (6 month and send an email asking
>>> people to be active). This way we will not create any new teams and
>>> ubuntu-eg will have only official member when default expiration date comes.
>>>
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>> I think, we need to set expiration date anyway, to 6m or 12, it's good,
>> and it's only to help persons remember about their membership and let's
>> hope they will interact soon.
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> Tried that :) People just get deactivated :( And soon we will have them
> all deactivated. We choose to do this then we will have the group empty and
> only those with membership status will remain. And that's what option 1 is
> all about. Set expiration date, those who are not interested will get
> expired soon.
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It's not our problem at all if ppl get deactivated even if all of them,
it's society's problem, not ours.
Again, let's call it core members not just members, cuz members are those
on ~ubuntu-eg and most active persons will get core member status and
everybody is happy :)
Plus, if you have inner membership, ubuntu membership, famous OS name, cool
stuff to show; everybody will keep coming and you'll see them climb that
ladder smoothly and very fast btw. with setting ~ubuntu-eg as main part
everybody will be very exited to keep her/his status, not forget about it.


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>>> 2. Create a new team say ubuntu-eg-proposed, move all current ubuntu-eg
>>> members to it and send them an email to encourage them to work. When they
>>> apply for membership they will get moved to ubuntu-eg
>>>
>>> Again we don't necessarily have to solve this, but really ubuntu-eg is
>>> useless IMO.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ahmed Toulan.
>>>
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>>> Ya Toulan, this, IMO, is not needed, frankly, I think it'll harm because
>> we will lose the team's body this way.
>> Ubuntu-eg seems useless cuz, IMO, we name the ubutnu-eg membership
>> membership. What about making that membership 'Core' members or so, so ppl
>> on ~ubuntu-eg are members but they're waiting to find the chance to
>> activate themselves somehow. But touching ~ubuntu-eg this way won't make
>> any good.
>> Tayb, I know that ~ubuntu-eg looks useless, so beside changing the new
>> membership idea's name to Core members will fix one part, IMHO, and the
>> rest can be fixed by fully integrating the launchpad team with the website.
>> We can even embed the lp registration(login.launchpad.net) page into a
>> 'Joining' Page on our website and that page redirects to
>> launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-eg/+join then to the ML subscribing page.
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> We are already using Launchpad OpenID for login. But how does that solve
> ubuntu-eg current status ? Of course the idea of creating a new team for
> official is the first to come in mind, but what do the number of members in
> ubuntu-eg represent ? Nothing if you ask, if anything it means they are
> mostly fans.
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Representing nothing?, no ya man, it represents the official joining step
either as activist or supporter, not fans(mainly) and we can't judge ppl
3ala nawayahom :)


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> Again we don't really have to do anything it's just a proposal. I was just
> mentioning that we have a programmatic solution for the problem.
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yes, let's keep it as it is for a while, hope it'l get clearer in the near
future.

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Regards,
Ahmed