ubuntu-fridge team mailing list archive

["Joey Stanford" <joey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

I agree with all of your points.  We've talked about them during the
fridge code refresh.

The problem I have today:

1) I do not have access to the system level of the fridge. Only Newz has that.

2) Newz is a bottleneck. He has enough work for 3 people (at least)
and basically has no time to spend on the Fridge, even though I know
he would like to help us out.

Thus, any changes to the fridge MUST be done in the Drupal management
system that we all have access to.  I do not believe we have the
capability to do what
has been suggested.

I have not attempted to gain access to the Fridge system. There is a
remote possibility we could do that.

Joey

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Jordan Mantha <mantha@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> /me crawls out from under a rock strangely shaped in the form of a
>  dissertation draft.
>
>
>  Joey Stanford wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > I'd like to reopen the discussion of the Fridge and News Mailing lists
>  > now that LP mailing lists are out of beta.
>
>  Please let's get something done here. Having 2 emails for everything is
>  getting a bit annoying, there are more pressing matters IMO, and I think
>  it's time we just did something rather than bikeshedding.
>
>
>  > To rehash:
>  >
>  > 1) We want one list where folks can send news items to that services
>  > the Fridge, UWN, and other areas (e.g. Full Circle).
>  >   * There's a LP team for this https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-news
>  > which can have it's own mailing list however only team members can
>  > post.
>  >   * We had wanted a list where anyone can submit articles.
>
>  Does it really make sense to make it a mailing list? Mailing lists in
>  general are designed around two-way communication whereas almost all of
>  the new submission work would be one-way (i.e. submitter files a
>  submission). Mailing lists are also not the natural form of website
>  submissions. Generally submissions happen via a form on the site itself.
>  I can't help but think that we're compensating for a flaw in Fridge's
>  design/implementation. News and event submissions should be handled via
>  Fridge and/or other relevant sites. However, there is much to be said
>  about having a central place for news submissions to go. An article
>  submitted to Fridge may be more appropriate for UWN or Full Circle. So I
>  see three practical solutions:
>
>   1) Have a contact form on Fridge for submissions that then goes into a
>  queue for editors to look at. Everything is handled entirely within
>  Fridge. No mailing lists.
>
>   2) Have a contact form on Fridge (and other news sites) that sends the
>  submission as an email to an ubuntu-news mailing list. This list is not
>  open and is just a repository of news submissions.
>
>   3) Run Fridge digg/slashdot style where people are contributing
>  content and the editors are just trying to manage the chaos. No mailing
>  list necessary here.
>
>  The basic requirements I see for "good" solutions:
>   * The submitter never should have to interact with a mailing list
>   * Where possible the submitter should interact with Fridge rather than
>  external resources. The idea being that you should be submitting stuff
>  where you would be reading it.
>   * Does not bottleneck the news process. News gets outdated really
>  quickly (sometimes within hours) so the slowest step should actually be
>  in the content creation, not the mechanics of getting submitted material
>  on the site.
>
>
>  > 2) I want to shutdown fridge-devel (which is private but I don't
>  > recognize several of the subscribers) for fridge editor discussions
>  > and use the LP list (ubuntu-fridge) for all editor discussions.
>  > ubuntu-fridge discussions can be viewed by the public however posting
>  > is restricted to team members..  This list is driven by our LP team:
>  > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fridge  which will (in 2-3 months) also
>  > drive ACL access on the fridge itself.  So, I'd like to center
>  > everything around it. It makes administration of our team much easier.
>
>  +1 I think it should be ok for everybody to use, including Vid, which is
>  important.
>
>
>  > I think executing #2 above is dependent upon finding a solution for
>  > #1.  A proposal for #1 was submitted as
>  > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuNews
>
>  I like the goal of the UbuntuNews spec but somehow it just feels like a
>  workaround for not being able to submit content directly through Fridge
>  (and other news sites). I feel like a good compromise would be solution
>  2) that I outlined above where the ubuntu-new-submissions list (and it
>  shouldn't be a LP list) would be hijacked to only take content submitted
>  via Fridge and other news sites.
>
>  Am I being too ambitious here?
>
>  -Jordan
>
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