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[Michal Karnicki <michal.karnicki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi all,

Let me start by addressing the link provided in the first e-mail.

It is sufficient for a Telegram client to change setting to not show "last
seen" and hence not emit the "online/offline" messages. It is also true
Telegram for Ubuntu doesn't currently provide such setting - and Randal has
filed a bug for this [1] (thank you sturmflut for instructing on the proper
bug title). Therefore, I believe it's a bit of over-generalization to claim
Telegram (as a product) is not "safe" in itself. I don't want to get too
much into this particular thread - but the article assumes your friends are
the ones stalking you - you need the *users phone number* and the *user's
friends phone numbers*. Additionally, you can simply turn the thing of
(hopefully soon in our app as well), and no more there are presence
notifications sent.

Going back to the bug, which Matthias has filed a while ago, we have
reviewed it and I'm glad to say we found a middle ground. To avoid everyone
having to open the site, I will simply re-state the comment here:








*Hi all,In a private conversation with Matthias I said I hoped we would
revisit this matter when Telegram 2.x was out. Now that it happened, and
this bug report has been brought again to my attention, we have reviewed
it. We have a solution that I believe would satisfy the requirements set by
the bug description.The proposed solution is the following:The application
may provide a setting to turn off "send message read notifications for
received messages". The user who chooses to do that will in turn not see
"message read notifications for sent messages". I think it is fair and that
is a solution we are happy to go ahead with.While we will do our best to
continue maintaining and hopefully growing Telegram for Ubuntu, we are
currently short on cycles. Therefore, we would be more than happy to accept
a merge proposal with this feature, we simply can't commit to it at the
moment as there are more higher priority bugs right now. But I am changing
the bug status from "Won't fix" right now.*

Have a great day,
karni

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/telegram-app/+bug/1521391
[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/telegram-app/+bug/1475915

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Matthias Apitz <guru@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> El día Monday, November 30, 2015 a las 10:32:18PM +0100, sturmflut
> escribió:
>
> > Good evening dear list,
> >
> > I don't consider this discussion on-topic. Canonical "just" ports and
> > ships an open-source Telegram client for Ubuntu and has no influence on
> > any design decisions the Telegram team made. Read notifications are such
> > a design decision, the "last seen" status can be hidden and adding a
> > switch for it should be a topic for a bug report.
> >
> > Anything else should be discussed in the appropriate Telegram forums.
> >
> > Also if Canonical have at any point made official statements about
> > privacy or security issues in Telegram then I have not gotten that memo,
> > please refer me to it in private. As far as I can see Canonical do not
> > even mention the words "private" or "secure" in the app store
> description.
>
> Hi,
>
> The full discussion and the statements of Canonical re/ the read
> notification one can read in the archives around July this year
> and in LP in the issue:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/telegram-app/+bug/1475915
>
> Thanks
>
>         matthias
>
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