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[Ivo Fernandes <ivoxavier.8@xxxxxxxxx>]

More phones will be available to buy when the platform is free of some bugs
and, of course, ready to all type of apps. The current devices where made
to help push foward the OS. I've a friend that brought a M10, and it's not
quite ready for convergence, the keyboard still lacks in features. No one
kwon's when the most critical bugs will be fixed, so... I think saying,
from bq side, "We've no plans" seems legit to me. Remember, the current
phones are "developers" phone, that's it. This was expected, just google it
mark shuttleworth saying. First round of very limited devices, then a
second one and finally a third one.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 10:22 AM, mark <j.m.holmes@xxxxxx> wrote:

> I admire what Fairphone are doing (although I'd personally like a bigger
> device), and I like that the community port is quite advanced: I'd go for
> that.
>
> As I've said many times elsewhere: it would be good if we could flash
> Ubuntu onto the device of our choosing - unfortunately, at least at the
> moment, that seems to be a difficult thing to do.
>
>
> m
>
> On 08/09/16 01:31, Bob Summerwill wrote:
>
>
> Yes, that could be a sensible approach, and would mirror the community
> effort and partnership which brought Sailfish OS to Fairphone 2.
>
> That just started with some porters and then grew into something bigger,
> with active collaboration with Fairphone engineers. There was even
> discussion of that becoming an official option for FP2, so that customers
> could buy a device with SFOS per-installed. Maybe do a deal with Myriad so
> that AlienDalvik could be shipped, etc.
>
> https://forum.fairphone.com/t/will-sailfish-os-be-
> officially-supported-on-the-fp2/16839/9
>
> Looks like there is already a FP2 port in progress:
>
> https://devices.ubports.com/#/FP2
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2016, mark <j.m.holmes@xxxxxx> wrote:
> > If Meizu and bq have lost interest in the platform, and are really not
> planning to build new phones then, perhaps enthusiasts - of which there
> seem to be no shortage - should go down the Fairphone route, and
> crowd-source a small run of devices, designed for Ubuntu and produced by an
> OEM. I don't know what the run of the Meizu or bq phones amounted to, but
> surely say ~20,000 high-spec Ubuntu phones could be sold?
> >
> > m
> >
> > On 07/09/16 17:53, Mitchell Reese wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, 8 September 2016 4:47:42 AM AEST, Bob Summerwill <
> bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Are OEMs not queuing up to ship devices running Touch?
> >
> > I suspect that the answer to that is "no".
> >
> > If, as seems likely, both BQ and Meizu have no immediate plans to ship
> > further Ubuntu Touch devices then that likely means that it is not
> > economically beneficial to them to do so.   That certainly isn't an
> > appealing market for other OEMs to join.    Canonical would likely be
> > pouring their money down the drain with such a device.
> >
> > Mozilla went through a very similar journey with Firefox OS, though with
> > way more devices and way more traction.   They ended up giving up on the
> > device side, and focusing on just community ports, and on application of
> > the OS to new (non-mobile) markets.
> >
> > Mobile is a tough, tough market to compete with.    Commodity Android
> > devices are very, very compelling to the mass market.    Mobile Linux is
> a
> > really niche.   See the troubles Jolla have experienced too.     Even
> > Samsung are struggling to make any kind of impact with Tizen - though
> that
> > likely has more to do with their own internal politics than any lack of
> > resourcing or ability to sell large volumes.
> >
> > My personal feeling is that mobile is now "mature", and uninteresting,
> like
> > the PC market.   Who really cares if you have an ASUS or an Acer or a HP
> or
> > whatever.    They have razor-thin markets and little differentiation.
> I
> > think that is where mobile is getting to be, with Android as the Windows,
> > and iOS as the Mac.    So iOS is premium and profitable, "because Apple",
> > but Android is the de-facto standard, commodity and unprofitable.
> That
> > is a really unappealing place to try to build a third platform.
> >
> > Android has utterly skewed manufacturing too, to my understanding, so
> that
> > if you want to get a SoC now, you are going to get Android bootloaders
> and
> > drivers on it.   As blobs.   And you're just going to have to suck that
> up.
> >    Want X11 drivers?   No way.
> >
> > Tizen is the only mobile Linux which hasn't just made the pragmatic
> choice
> > of avoiding the issue by using Hybris.   For everybody else, Android has
> > become the de-facto HAL :-)
> >
> > So yeah... I have an MX5 Pro as my daily driver and love it.   MX4 before
> > that.    But I don't have much hope of any future Ubuntu Touch mobile
> > devices.    I think we're likely walking dead, but just haven't stopped
> > walking yet.
> >
> > So maybe Jolla and Tizen are the "last men standing" in this space?
> For
> > mobile profile, at least.    Tablets are a different story.   Ditto IoT
> and
> > Ubuntu Snappy Core.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:49 AM, mark <j.m.holmes@xxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > +1
> >
> > The same thought had crossed my mind. Touch seems to be reaching the
> point
> > of maturity where something of the Edge's specs might come to fruition.
> It
> > would be a winner, imho.
> >
> > Are OEMs not queuing up to ship devices running Touch?
> >
> > m
> >
> > On 07/09/16 14:32, Art wrote:
> >
> > Question.......
> >
> > I read all the comments, and I am now curious.....
> >
> > What is to stop Canonical from releasing their own branded phones right
> > now?? Just because the current 'offering' isn't Canonical branded, Is
> there
> > anything that prevents them from selling a Canonical branded phone later
> > on??
> >
> > After all, now we know that a linux based phone actually works, what is
> to
> > stop Canonical (or even myself) from seeking out an independent phone
> OEM,
> > buying them in bulk and rebranding them, complete with the linux software
> > already installed?
> >
> > Great list all, I hope to see the linux phone succeed! It's about time we
> > take back control of our own phones and block all the 'features' that rob
> > us of our privacy!!
> >
> > Art
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 09/05/2016 10:49 AM, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Did anyone from Canonical considered to 'simply' develop phone themselves
> > alone, order it in factory and sell with Canonical brand?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > Hmmm. Disagree - thanfully. Otherwise, whats the point? Similar
> arguments when Microsoft was still a thing - why compete?
> >
> > The thing about Ubuntu is it's also a desktop system - and has the
> potential to be much more. Will be interesting to see where this goes, but
> I'm backing Canonical.
> > M
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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