ubuntu-us-ohio team mailing list archive

[Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Michael Yutzy
<myutzy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Paul & Michael,

Michael,

>
> I read what you said and I agree with most of it, but... I have made clear
> my interest and intentions regarding this matter. But some of the blame need

Radical.

> to be placed at the feet of the current powers that be. I have ask questions
> and have gotten messages from several people telling me what I need to do...
> But no help or support!!! This is supose to be a community project but it
> seem like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and
> everyone is cryptic and unwilling to give a moment of their time to truly
> help someone else, where is the community.

I don't entirely disagree, but I can't help but wonder where this is going

>
> i.e. I'm told to place my message about myself in the forum, but not told
> that it takes different credentials then Launchpad, OK I can live with that,

Yes, it's a different system. We did not write the forums software.

> wasted a lot time but oh well its worth it. Then I'm told to send my info
> out as a mailer to everyone, so I do that. Then my messages is removed from
> the forum and I'm told we are going to do it in Wiki, since some only read

It should not have been removed. There should be an election thread
started, and people should post their link to their wiki there

> the forums and some only read mail ?????? if some only read mail and some
> only do forums, what makes you think they all do Wiki??? shouldn't all bass

Because you are to *link* to your wiki from elsewhere. That way
everyone who can follow a link gets the same information. Most rules
and regulations are on the Wiki, and in fact, all Ubuntu policies are
there as well. It's how we run the community.

> be covered and the information gotten out to everyone, and not just left to
> chance?. So I go there and find the information but then I'm unable to post,

Odd. Were you editing *your* page and not Ohio's? Even then, it's a
wiki, the point is to be able to edit this stuff.

> even though I'm signed in... its not allowing post, wow what a surprise that

This is starting to sound like a rant....

> was. Its makes it difficult to participate in this community, let alone help
> when no one seems willing to help you even getting to know your way around.

Um, I can't think of anyone on this team who would not help someone in
need. Did you ask on IRC? I remember answering both your emails in a
timely manner as well.

>
> But as for needing to STEP UP!!! I have, been trying and getting no help
> along the way, no support that isn't cryptic, now chastised that no one

Where have you been asking?

> seems interested.... Heres a clue for you. How about keeping everyone in the

Here's a clue for us? That sounds quite aggressive.

> loop, provide information that is needed, when it is needed and support to

I've answered *every* question you've sent to me in a very timely
manner. Have you been to our IRC channel either? What resources have
you tried?

> those who ask for it. Someone asks me a question I go for the lowest common
> denominator i.e, have you ever used a forum before?..... and then
> information that is helpful and useful to that situation.
>
> To breed a culture of support and growth then it needs to be demonstrated by
> those who are already there. Yes its a pain in the butt sometimes to hold
> the hand of a newbie and walk them through something step by step. But as a

I'm on the governing board of the Ubuntu Beginners Team. I've been
helping new Ubuntu users from Windows for over 3 years now. In
addition, I've been helping on a regular basis, the longest I've ever
been absent was one month, in mid-2009.

Trust me. That's not my downfall.

> business owner I know that this method works and in the end I have and
> educated and grateful end user and a client for life that know that I am
> there and will support them.

Again, I'm in charge of the team that helps new users.

>
> There is no stupid questions and no matter the utopian dream is... the

Again, I'm in charge of the team that helps new users. I know.

> simple truth is not everyone will be on the same page at the same time and
> that there will always be those who need help. As for the Ubuntu community
> in Ohio to grow we need to foster that, be there to assist those who skill
> sets are below ours and let them know that we are here to help them. We are

Again, I'm in charge of the team that helps new users. I know. Most of
the Ohio members on IRC are also members of the UBT.

> the stewards of Ubuntu, and our job is to evangelize the word of Ubuntu and
> to teach others who may have spent a lifetime chained to MicroSquishie and
> other bloat software that want a change, to let them know that there is a
> better way, but that will not happen if we stay inside our servers walls and
> expect everyone else to learn and understand and be a part of something when
> we are to good to dirty our hands and give a little of our time and talents.
> They will not leave the comfort of what they know.

I've been doing that for 3 years. We're also looking for new members
if you feel like joining.

>
> If we the bold vanguard doesn't support or help others in a clean and
> understandable way, then this cause is done for and the great powers of the
> computer world wins and... WE ALL LOSE.

Let me know when you want to start with the Beginners Team as well :)

The wiki is here[1].

>
> Michael Yutzy
> President & CEO
> Creative Webtec LLC.
>
> On Mon 10/18/10 7:22 PM , Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Michael Gilbert
> <michael.s.gilbert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hey everybody,
>>
>> So we were supposed to have a vote yesterday, but lacking any useful
>> debate, I think doing that right now would be asinine.  If the
>
> Yeah, I held off on the email. I am 100% with you
>
>> candidates are actually really interested in this position, then they
>> need to step up and demonstrate a basic ability to communicate.  I've
>> only seen one meaningful email so far, and right now, I'm planning to
>> "write in" paultag, but I don't think he would like that.
>
> It's not that I would not like it, it's just that we need new blood.
> I've done my job, and now it's time for someone else to take the team
> in the direction where they feel it needs to go.
>
> So far, I'm not happy with the answers of *where* the team should go
>
>>
>> Well, anyway, I would still like to this thing happen.  Lets hear
>> something, *anything* from the candidates.  Pretty please, with a
>> cherry on top?
>
> C'mon guys! Me too! Let's hear your "Platform"!
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Gilbert
>>
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>
> -Paul
>
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Much Love,
Paul

[1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam

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