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[Jason Chandler <canthus13@xxxxxxxxx>]

All I'm saying is that Ubuntu is no more buggy than windows when it's first
released.

Jason Chandler


On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Zitt <jzitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Here's the thing: I'm not much of a programmer (a few Perl scripts and Lisp
> programs a few decades back, but I've been working in a bookstore and not
> paying much attention to programming for most of the past decade). I don't
> know the languages needed to submit patches. I don't have the skills to do
> bug reports, nor the time to put them together. I'm just a guy trying to DO
> things with the software. And if I'm thinking about the software instead of
> the task, the software has failed.
>
> If, as you suggest, Ubuntu is a specialist's sandbox usable only by those
> who have the time and the chops to fix it rather than achieve things with
> us, does this suggest that those of us who are not programmers should not
> bother with it? Is the Ubuntu community ultimately just a technocratic
> elite?
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Joseph Zitt <jzitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > Y'see, I'm a big Linux aficionado, but this is the kind of thing that
>> really
>> > bugs me about Ubuntu (and Linux in general). There's the big drumroll
>> > leading up to the release, the excited reviews about how wonderful
>> things
>> > are, the excitement of downloading and installing the new versio... and
>> then
>> > it doesn't work, and I ask questions, and I get "Well, yeah, that's
>> really
>> > buggy. Go back to the old version."
>> >
>> > I understand that Ubuntu has a widely touted process of alphas and betas
>> and
>> > release candidates and all that... but we have these failures all the
>> time.
>> >
>> > What can be done so that there's a dependable testing process? Does
>> anyone
>> > take pride in and ownership of the new releases? Do we really expect to
>> > reach World Dominiation if the user experience has these hurdles?
>> >
>> > My unfortunate experience is that when I want excitement and to feel
>> like
>> > I'm Doing The Right Thing, I use Linux. But when I'm facing deadlines
>> and
>> > need productivity without either excuses or detours to work around stuff
>> > that I can't aford to have broken, I have to depend on something else.
>> >
>> > How can this be made better?
>>
>> It's open source, if it's buggy you can always submit patches and bug
>> reports :)
>>
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Patrick Best <pkbest@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> @Joe,
>> >>
>> >> First of al.. yeah.. politics suck. That's why ive stayed out of
>> ALLLL...
>> >> of these convos. anyway... I have the Asus 1101HA (GMA500 Poulsbo GFX
>> card.)
>> >> Even bigger pain to run on 10.10. Go with 10.04. I am using that just
>> fine
>> >> with one of the most linux unsupported graphics cards in the Asus
>> line..  SO
>> >> PaulTag is very much so right. 10.10's unity interface is extremely
>> buggy.
>> >> I'd give it at least a few months before trying it. Also, you can
>> always try
>> >> googling Asus EeePC ubuntu 10.10.. and see what pops up.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Heyya Joe,
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Joseph Zitt <jzitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > First, my apologies for posting outside the key topics of politics
>> or
>> >>> > dentistry.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dude, we all hate politics. No worries.
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook Edition with the Unity interface on
>> an
>> >>> > Asus
>> >>> > Eee 1001P. [0]
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh no. I see where this is going...
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The system has some quirks, such as starting with the keyboard
>> >>> > NumLocked
>> >>> > (which led me to think that i couldn't log in at all until I
>> realized
>> >>> > it)
>> >>> > and not supporting an external monitor well.
>> >>>
>> >>> :(
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > It also sometime grinds effectively to a halt. I hear it
>> continuously
>> >>> > accessing the hard drive, but can't do anything. This sometimes
>> happens
>> >>> > when
>> >>> > I revive it by pressing a key after it's been idle for several
>> hours,
>> >>> > but
>> >>> > also see it in some other less well-defined circumstances. (One
>> thing I
>> >>> > found was that opening the Files and Folders screen, so I don't use
>> >>> > that
>> >>> > anymore, sticking with Gnome Commander.) When this happens, all I
>> can
>> >>> > do is
>> >>> > forcibly power down then power it back up.
>> >>>
>> >>> This is more Unity then anything else. Since Mutter does not support
>> >>> hardware acceleration, it renders via software. BOO!
>> >>>
>> >>> I was trying to backport netbook-launcher to no avail. :(
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I seem to remember there being scripts, and possibly even software
>> >>> > packages,
>> >>> > that straightened this stuff out, but I'm not seeing them anymore.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > BTW, I hated the Unity interface when I first experienced it, but
>> have
>> >>> > grown
>> >>> > to like it. With the help of Gnome Do, a bunch of Firefox plugins,
>> >>> > Dropbox,
>> >>> > and a few other tools, this is a surprisingly useful little PC.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So... does anyone have any pointers on getting 10.10 to work better
>> on
>> >>> > this
>> >>> > Eee?
>> >>>
>> >>> Switch to 10.04. I know it sounds backwards, but 10.10's unity
>> >>> iterface is really really REALLY buggy. I've switched off of UNE
>> >>> because of it
>> >>>
>> >>> :(
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > [0] http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=5AH8HAdGuhiQIXgg
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > Joseph Zitt ::http://www.josephzitt.com
>> >>> >
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>> >>>
>> >>> Let us know how it goes!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> -Paul
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> All programmers are playwrights, and all computers are lousy actors.
>> >>>
>> >>> #define sizeof(x) rand()
>> >>> :wq
>> >>>
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Joseph Zitt ::http://www.josephzitt.com
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> All programmers are playwrights, and all computers are lousy actors.
>>
>> #define sizeof(x) rand()
>> :wq
>>
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> Joseph Zitt ::http://www.josephzitt.com
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