ubuntu-youth team mailing list archive

[Sasu Karttunen <sasu.karttunen@xxxxxxxx>]

Hello,

you seem to have a very nice conversation here. Let me add myself in :) I want to say that we shouldnt compare ourselves to beginners team.

First of all, all of us aren't beginners and why should Ubuntu Youth concentrate only to them? Does being young mean being a beginner?

There are some people that just code own projects right now and don't even publish the source codes because they can't get anything ready themselves. Also there are a lots (i mean lots) of people who want to write some code but there aren't anyone helping them when they want to ask something. most of time they have to ask from reqular irc channels where you don't get that youth-support (explain things and teach it rather than pasting some working code).

These both groups should need developing mentoring, especially the first group. Somebody should get these people involved with bigger projects, like KDE and Gnome (for example, there are bugs tagged as "junior jobs" in KDE bug tracker. Those bugs are very easy to fix and aren't critical so there are lots of time for working with them).

Second reason for why we shouldn't compare Ubuntu Youth with beginners team is the amount of active members. We really dont have many actives (and how many of those are gone forever, meaning we don't see that nickname again). When comparing two teams, other for all Ubuntu beginners and other for all young Ubuntu users, I think that beginners team has more fanspace. We really should think about that too.

No really more for now, hope that this turmoil in team structure really changes something.

From,
Sasu "skfin" Karttunen
<sasu.karttunen@xxxxxxxx>

Sent from my Nokia N900 which runs open source software when iPhone doesn't. :P

On Ke 29 kesä 2011 04:11:48, Andrew Constantine <andrew.m.constantine@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I see all that your saying but I must agree with Zach on this one. The
> beginners team is a very well run team for introducing people into all
> sorts of fields; development, support, wiki, bug control etc. And also I
> know that if you pop into the IRC channel and ask a question one of
> these guys would most likely know the answer.
> 
> From,
> Andrew Constantine
> (AndrewMC)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> http://andrewmc.net
> 
> On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:11 PM, "C. B." <cbrluvstkd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> I just recently joined the UY, but it seems I joined at the wrong time.
> From what I have gathered from my infrequent trips to the IRC I joined
> right around the same time as a change in leadership that wasn't going
> too smoothly. Forgive me if that's not entirely accurate as my joining
> the IRC has become more and more spread out due to lack of activity.
> Now, I don't know how the UY was organized before but what I was hoping
> for when I joined was a youth-lead club that lead up to joining the
> actual Ubuntu Team. We could take on small projects, and members would be
> encouraged to contribute to Ubuntu through their strengths with possibly
> a little more support and guidance. Members of the UY could be
> challenged by both the UY leadership and other members to do what they
> thought they could, and then a little more, learning all the way.   We
> would slowly become full Ubuntu contributers, but with slightly less
> comitment and expectations towards quality and an emphasis on learning
> and growing as developers, computer artists, debuggers, and Ubuntu
> members.
> 
> What I'm trying to say is that the Ubunu Youth shouldn't just be a place
> to hang out and chat with young *untu users (all though there's nothing
> wrong with that), but the Ubuntu Youth could and SHOULD be a place to
> grow and train the next generation of *untu developers.
> 
> If I were to see these kinds of changes, I would be proud to say that I
> were a member of the UY. However, as it curently stands, it just looks
> like another off-topic chatroom.
> 
> I mean all my opinions humbly and respectfully, but I do ask that take
> these things into consideration for the future success of the Ubuntu
> Youth.
> 
> --brobo
> On Jun 28, 2011 6:16 PM, "Andrew Constantine" <
> andrew.m.constantine@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hello Team,
> > 
> > I have been thinking about possibly another way we could restructure
> > our team that would still allow us to be our own team.
> > 
> > If you look at the way the team is laid out right now, we are
> > basically a off-topic place for youth that use Ubuntu (or any Linux
> > for that matter)
> to
> > chat, so why not roll with that? We would not have any membership
> > approval process, the Launchpad team would be open and anyone that is
> > on the
> council
> > right now would be an operator of the IRC channel. In terms of Op
> > policy
> we
> > would use the policies already in place in #ubuntu-offtopic to moderate
> the
> > channel.
> > 
> > None of this is set in stone please recommend additions, changes
> > anything,
> I
> > want this decision to be a team effort [?]
> > 
> > OR
> > 
> > We can still move forward with the BT merger but I personally am in
> > favor
> of
> > the above idea.
> > 
> > Please share any comments and/or concerns.
> > 
> > --
> > From,
> > Andrew Constantine
> > (AndrewMC)
> > 
> > *http://andrewmc.net/*