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[Tyler Brainerd <tylerbrainerd@xxxxxxxxx>]

Which is sort of my point. It doesn't seem to me like Ubuntu is ever
planning on using gnome-shell, or they wouldn't be duplicating work on the
exact same areas of the desktop.

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Roth Robert <evfool@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I agree, I'm not a Gnome Shell fan either, I like Gnome in its current
> state and with its current customizability. And I know I'm not alone. But
> the level of integration of Gnome Shell with Ubuntu has to be take into
> consideration when talking about implementation issues like "how will this
> be implemented in compiz, mutter and metacity"...
> Thanks for your comment anyway!
> Best Regards, Robert
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Tyler Brainerd <tylerbrainerd@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> " and there is currently no possibility of changing the window manager,
>> and there is no support planned,"
>>
>> Which is pretty much exactly why many Ubuntu users do not ever want
>> Gnome-Shell.
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Roth Robert <evfool@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> This depends from my point of view in the way 10.10 will integrate
>>> Gnome-Shell ...  because if it will be the main window manager, than only
>>> mutter has to be supported as far as I know, because GS uses only mutter,
>>> and there is currently no possibility of changing the window manager, and
>>> there is no support planned, because as the Gnome Shell devs stated,
>>> designing a shared library - a common base for window managers to implement
>>> - would require a huge effort ...
>>> If the main window manager will not be GS though, these are serious
>>> questions indeed.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Sam Spilsbury <smspillaz@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Mark Shuttleworth <mark@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > On 03/05/10 13:22, Roth Robert wrote:
>>>> >> Another tiny detail I have a problem with... having progress status
>>>> >> indicators on the top right side and having the transient status
>>>> >> message appear on the bottom left side seems strange... do the status
>>>> >> messages have to appear on the bottom left? Until now it was fine
>>>> >> because the progress indicator was in the statusbar and the status
>>>> >> message also, but these belong together in my opinion. What if they'd
>>>> >> appear below the windicators for a short time?
>>>> >
>>>> > That's an interesting idea. One issue might be that the toolbar
>>>> usually
>>>> > shows right below the window title, and it's harder to imagine the
>>>> > status message over the toolbar than over the content.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Going even further with the idea... what if they would be NotifyOSD
>>>> >> messages with smaller bubble, font, and positioned below the window
>>>> >> border?
>>>> >
>>>> > We *could* do an overlay, yes.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to hijack this discussion on to a slightly more technical issue,
>>>> but I'm not particularly sure where the whole idea started.
>>>>
>>>> While I am in favour of the design aspects of "windicators"
>>>> (per-application volume control from the window itself sounds great),
>>>> I am slightly skeptical as to how this could be implemented in both
>>>> the compiz, mutter and metacity codebase, considering the fact that
>>>> currently the window decorations are drawn as a GDK image in metacity
>>>> and an X Pixmap / GTK image in compiz and the only way of interacting
>>>> with them is a series of input windows in predefined places.
>>>>
>>>> In order for this to work, you would have to either a) Go and extend
>>>> libwnck to allow placement of random pixmaps and input windows in
>>>> decorations (something which will not work well) or b) Implement gtk
>>>> widgets within the decorator (which is something similar to the
>>>> libdbus notifications that ubuntu is doing right now)
>>>>
>>>> If it's the latter that is the case, gtk-window-decorator and metacity
>>>> will both need some heavy lifting. How do we plan to implement this
>>>> and will any work be done upstream.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Sam Spilsbury
>>>> (Concerned Upstream)
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Mark
>>>> >
>>>> >
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