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hi there, i agree, this place is appropriate, we discussed the live
cd's dialogs before, its interaction and it's definitely usability, so
it's Ayatana.

of course Ivanka was right and with time Ubiquity will turn into what
it should be: a tool to turn every machine into Ubuntu..

On 2010-10-19, Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>    While ubiquity is not a listed project with
> Ayatana I really hope to open up some meaningful discussion regarding
> what I see as a major shortfall in the new ubiquity UI prior to Natty UDS.
>
> However,
>  I’d first like to say that I’m largely impressed with the overall
> appearance of the new ubiquity and just how quickly the devs pulled this
>  all together during the Maverick dev cycle.
>
>
>    My goal is to offer constructive criticism from
>  an end users perspective without ever being disagreeable. I’m very much
>  reminded of what Ivanka Majik said during the dispute regarding the
> ability to change the computer name during installation:
>
>
>    “The Ubuntu Live CD is the first experience
> many new users will have of Ubuntu. The installation experience should
> be attractive and effortless to reassure new users that Ubuntu is the
> right choice. The process should feel safe and should only highlight
> risk when necessary (e.g. when data will be destroyed).”
>
>
>    I simply question whether or not we’re living
> up to that goal if a new user selects “Install alongside other operating
>  systems”. The screen following that choice displays a number of options
>  including “Use entire partition” and “Use entire disc”. I believe the other
> options are quite clear, but at this point I want everyone to put their
> “noob shoes” on ;^)
>
>
>    What partition and/or disc is the installer
> referring to? Also consider that most Windows users are used to
> designations like Drive A, Drive C, etc. Who are we targeting with the
> “alongside” option? The most inexperienced dual/multi booters I’d suspect.
>
>
>    The user has just chosen between three options:
>
>
>    1: Install alongside other operating systems
>    2: Erase and use entire disc
>    3: Specify partitions manually (advanced)
>
>
>    Having already chosen “Install alongside other
> operating systems” why are they now being asked if they want to “Use
> entire partition” or “Use entire disc”? Didn’t they already make that
> decision?
>
>
>    They already decided not to “Erase and use entire disc” but they’re being
> asked again. Is that confusing? I think it is.
>
>
>    If they choose “Use entire partition” what
> partition are they agreeing to use? Remember who we’re targeting with
> the “side-by-side” option :^) As previously mentioned many Windows
> users, and sadly some long time Ubuntu users, have no idea what Linux device
> designations are or what they mean.
>
>
>    Possibly exacerbating the problem, even for more experienced users, is
> this bug:
>
>
>    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/657397
>
>
>    I simply identified that too late in the Maverick dev cycle to expect a
> fix and I’ll certainly follow up on that during Natty iso-testing.
>
>
>
>    I had however filed a bug report regarding this “auto-resize confusion”:
>
>
>    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/655950
>
>
>    While I got seriously “off-track” there you’ll see that Evan Dandrea
> said:
>
>
>    “Regarding
>  your original concern of the presence of "use entire disk" and "use
> entire partition" buttons, I fail to see how they do any harm. Their
> presence is part convenience, and part desire to consolidate the
> automatic partitioning options to a single page. The fact that the first
>  partitioning page offers you separate "use entire disk" and "resize
> partition" options is arguably a bug, but I am otherwise satisfied with
> the UI.”
>
>
>    I obviously
>  disagree but I’d like to point out that I have great respect for Evan.
> During the time I’ve been iso-testing I’ve seen him fix a lot of last
> minute bugs. I know he poured a lot of effort into the new ubiquity and
> I’d hope that everyone agrees that we can disagree without being
> disagreeable :^)
>
>
>    I sincerely hope we
> can begin an open minded debate regarding this issue either here at
> Ayatana or in some more appropriate venue. Many thanks in advance.
>
>
>    BTW, I am Erick Brunzell and/or lbsolst at Launchpad and kansasnoob at
> Ubuntu Forums.
>
>