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[Jason Smith <jason.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 11:17 -0500, Conscious User wrote:
> 
> Jason, while we're at this subject, could you please tell if Unity is
> going to 
> follow the WM_CLASS "emergency fallback" that Docky currently uses?

I can't remember if I implemented that or not yet. I know docky has a
fairly advanced heuristic for picking out unknown icons. I'll probably
side port it sometime this cycle.

> 
> 
> Since Unity is going to use those big icons, I'm particularly worried
> whether it will always ensure overriding small icons with large enough
> ones,
> even when the window is not directly associated to a .desktop file.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Smith <jason.smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Martín "A. Casco" <martincasco@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: ayatana <ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 5, 2010 7:05 pm
> Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Launcher' icons size to big
> 
> On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 21:47 -0300, Martín A. Casco wrote:
> > I understand your point. But just an example, since I use Ubuntu (from
> > Hardy), I always used AWN and 32 x 32 pixels for icon's launchers and
> > never have fuzzy problems... Even with Cairo and Docky.
> 
> I wrote docky, trust me, it happens :)
> 
> > 
> > But, if we use 52 x 52 small screens will loose to much space on
> > launcher, and auto-hide can't be the solutions, for many users like
> > me, auto-hide is not used..
> 
> Compared to the old launcher you lose an extra 2-4 pixels horizontally.
> I understand then point about horizontal space. I believe a better
> hiding mode may be useful for you. I hope to have intellihide ready
> soon.
> 
> > 
> > Even more, with 52 x 52 icon's size, we can't add more apps to the
> > launcher, I know the option  arrange icons when we have a lot of apps
> > on launcher or to many apps open, but this option is very unusable,
> > it's look nice, but it's unusably..
> 
> 52x52 vs 48x48 makes no difference in terms of number of vertical
> applications on the launcher in a standard netbook screen. The last once
> folds a tiny bit sooner is all.
> 
> I should note the code is completely flexible in icon sizing so we can
> do resolution independent UI in the future.
> 
> > 
> > Bets,
> > 
> > El dom, 05-12-2010 a las 18:53 -0500, Jason Smith escribió:
> > > There are unfortunate limitations on icon sizing in Linux. We are
> > > stuck
> > > with 24px, 32px, 48px, and 64px icons. We can interpolate in
> > > between,
> > > however this will make it fuzzy. Further 32x32 is not a good option
> > > since a lot of applications only ship a 24, 48, 64 set of icons.
> > > Further, svg's while scalable, do not scale all that well either.
> > > What
> > > are designed to be 1px lines end up being fractions of pixels,
> > > making
> > > them fuzzy as well.
> > > 
> > > For the compiz version of Unity it was then decided to use 48x48
> > > icons,
> > > with a 2 pixel border in the tile. This represents a growth in tile
> > > size
> > > from mavericks 48x48 to Natty's 52x52. The icons do *look* a lot
> > > bigger
> > > though because the icon fills a lot more of the tile now. In reality
> > > however, the icons are only 8% bigger. Some of this loss can be made
> > > up
> > > for by a smaller padding on each side of the launcher.
> > > 
> > > If you look at the launcher in Maverick you will see the icons are
> > > fuzzy. Be warned though, once you notice this, you can never
> > > un-notice!
> > > 
> > > To be truly scalable, Icon authors need to make svg's, and svg needs
> > > a
> > > way to denote a line has a fix pixel size. Until this is both
> > > possible
> > > and completed, we are stuck in the world of fixed icon sizes... or
> > > shipping lots of icons. 
> 
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