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[Matthew Paul Thomas <mpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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Martín A. Casco wrote on 16/01/11 13:22:
>...
> With the last release of Elementary theme, authors include a modd for
> Scrollbars.. No Steppers.
>
> The argument: Users normally don't use them, just use mouse scroll or
> handle scrollbars. well I think that's true, at least in most cases.

I don't think you, or they, have any idea how often people use them.
<http://imgur.com/6ETb4>

> But, in NON GTK apps, like LibreOffice, have some problems with that
> modd. The only solution for elementary it's include steppers.
>
> If we think in the actual light themes ( and I don't know if there are
> any plans about this) have steppers, they are separate and if we want
> to use theme we have to make a considerable movement for up and down.
>
> So, why don't put them together? I've made a mockup only for
> vertically scrollbars (sorry), but the Idea it's have theme for
> horizontal scrollbars to. This will make that the 4 steppers will be
> in the same area and if we want to use them are more easy, fast an
> simple..
>...

That's a great idea. Probably there would be the same problem with
non-native applications like LibreOffice and Firefox, though. They would
need their own code to recognize the arrows-together setting.

Martín A. Casco wrote on 16/01/11 13:39:
>
> Well, for my last mail I've been thinking. Maybe 3 steppers for each
> scrollbar could be more simple. If we are on the top off apps with the
> mouse and want to use upper stepper we have to go down with the mouse
> (thats the concept of my first mockup), this solution its not better at
> all. So maybe this mockup represents better the concept of simplicity
> on scrollbar's steppers.
>...

That's what KDE does. But it goes against the principle of parsimony:
having two similarly accessible methods of doing the same thing slows
people down, by making them dither. (For example, it's okay to have a
title bar close button and a "Close" menu item, but having two close
buttons is bad. Similarly, having two scroll-up buttons would be bad.)

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