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[Bazon <bazonbloch@xxxxxxxx>]

On 19.04.2011 16:15, Marco Biscaro wrote:
> (...)
>
> An application can have zero or more windows. I think the question 
> here is consistency:
>
> If your application has just one window, when you click on the 
> launcher icon, this window will minimize. But if you have 3 opened 
> windows to that application? What should happen when you click the 
> launcher icon if:
>
> 1. All windows are visible?
> 2. Two windows are visible and one is already minimized?
> 3. One window is visible and two are already minimized?
> 4. All windows are minimized?


consistency could be achieved very easy:
In ALL cases above, clicking on the launcher several times leads to a 
state, where clicking the launcher leads to NOTHING: everything stays as 
it is, which is the expose window spread. (which btw. can be confusing 
than there is only one window shown [steps to reproce: blow, see *], as 
nothing outside the window responds in this state.
Also, clicking on a icon and nothing happens leaves me feeling it is 
broken...)


So just after that state, an additional click could minimize all windows 
from this application.
(optionally, this need not to be the final state, cycling around these 
states by clicking again would be nice).

> (...)
>
> Besides this, If you want to organize your windows, you can use the 
> workspaces to arrange them. And use <Super>+D to show desktop if needed.


Ah, don't talk about workspaces, I loved them and suffer still from 
breaking their usability enough already.... 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/689733 and 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/683170
And "show desktop" deserves its own button IMHO....   ...(just as before)



(*)
steps to reproduce having only one window in the expose window spread:
* open two windows of the same application (I had this with firefox) on 
workspace 1 and 2.
* make sure both windows are not maximized and not minimized
* change to workspace 2 and minimize the window there
* change to workspace 1 and select the window from the regarded application
* press the application icon in the launcher until both windows appear
* select the (before minimized) window on workspace 2 by right clicking 
it (which is faster than two left clicks)
result: you see the second window in normal size, but you can not click 
anything outside it.






> On Ter, 2011-04-19 at 07:30 -0600, Ian Santopietro wrote:
> > It was my understanding that the launcher  icons only represent apps, 
> > and since an app can't really be minimized (only windows of that 
> > app), they don't do it.  It works with Gnome 2 because the list was a 
> > list of windows. It would be clicking on a Gnome 2 shortcut and 
> > having the windows of that app minimize.
> >
> > I might be wrong here though.
> >
> > On Apr 19, 2011 7:19 AM, "Bazon" <bazonbloch@xxxxxxxx 
> > <mailto:bazonbloch@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: [Bug 733349] Re: Natty: Unity launcher buttons should 
> > allow to
> > > minimize apps, not just launch/restore
> > > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:45:08 -0000
> > > From: Michael <733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > <mailto:733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > > Reply-To: Bug 733349 <733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > <mailto:733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm sure that if you ask on the Ayatana mailing list they will be 
> > happy
> > >
> > >> to explain, and perhaps to discuss, the reasoning.
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, so here we go:
> > > Why isn't it possible any more to minimize windows when clicking a 
> > further time on the button which represents the application?
> > > That was possible with the Gnome Panel Window Switcher, it is 
> > possible in the XFCE taskbar, it is possible in Cairo-Dock, it is 
> > possible with the MS Windows taskbar and probably many more.
> > >
> > > So why break users expectations?
> > > You leave the experienced user in frustration while the 
> > inexperienced user will not be mocked by minimizing on an extra click 
> > he probably never makes.
> > > (Showing and hiding a window quick by clicking two times on the 
> > icon/switcher is a very common practice.)
> > >
> > > I believe it's generally not a good idea that clicking on an 
> > interactive element of your screen leads to NOTHING.
> > >
> > > Some users will wonder whether their system is responding slow, 
> > experienced users who are used to the minimize behaviour will miss it.
> > > (and you know, many of them are already frustrated enough losing 
> > Gnome 2 features.....)
> > >
> > >
> > > So please reconsider allowing minimizing windows by clicking on the 
> > launcher.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > > --
> > >>
> > >>
> > > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > > of the bug.
> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349
> > >
> > > Title:
> > > Natty: Unity launcher buttons should allow to minimize apps, not just
> > > launch/restore
> > >
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> > >
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