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Re: Fwd: [Bug 733349] Re: Natty: Unity launcher buttons should allow to minimize apps, not just launch/restore

 

On 19.04.2011 20:41, Jorge Ortega wrote:
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The problem which has been fixed here was a non-existing one: most people don't know the difference between an app and a window, it is an extremely abstract concept and people just don't do their computing like that; people are mainly totally alien to this. Most people don't know what a file manager is. People do care though about *predictibility*: you provoke and action and expect/hope for some particular reaction.

I agree on that.
I really get tricked by Unity so many times, e.g. when checking mails: One click to restore the minimized window, and the second click to minimize it again if there is nothing important - that's the way I'm used to since so many years. Walking in this trap either makes you feel stupid or leads to being frustrated with Unity.




One such is being able to minimize from the same place you used to launch an app. This is -talking about consistency- just about what always happens in the rest of the Univers, and this goes for many version of Windows, all Linux desktops I've laid my hands on, any other dock I've used, etc. The use is so widely spread that it should be considered a de-facto standard. Compared to this the theoretical problem of having multiple or single windows of an app., etc seems irrelevant.

There is of course the option of having icons for windows no apps (Gimp being a very obvious exception to this), there is the option of First click: maximizes all, Second click minimazes all. There are other options but none should include what there is now.

Just my opinion.


On 19 April 2011 15:15, Marco Biscaro <marcobiscaro2112@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:marcobiscaro2112@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    Ian, I think you're right.

    applications != windows

    An application can have zero or more windows. I think the question
    here is consistency:

    If your application has just one window, when you click on the
    launcher icon, this window will minimize. But if you have 3 opened
    windows to that application? What should happen when you click the
    launcher icon if:

    1. All windows are visible?
    2. Two windows are visible and one is already minimized?
    3. One window is visible and two are already minimized?
    4. All windows are minimized?

    Considering that there is just one icon per application, I think
    the best way to minimize a window is to click the minimize button
    of that window. If I'm not mistaken, this why clicking on launcher
    icons doesn't minimize windows.

    Besides this, If you want to organize your windows, you can use
    the workspaces to arrange them. And use <Super>+D to show desktop
    if needed.


    On Ter, 2011-04-19 at 07:30 -0600, Ian Santopietro wrote:
    It was my understanding that the launcher  icons only represent
    apps, and since an app can't really be minimized (only windows of
    that app), they don't do it.  It works with Gnome 2 because the
    list was a list of windows. It would be clicking on a Gnome 2
    shortcut and having the windows of that app minimize.

    I might be wrong here though.

    On Apr 19, 2011 7:19 AM, "Bazon" <bazonbloch@xxxxxxxx
    <mailto:bazonbloch@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
    > -------- Original Message --------
    > Subject: [Bug 733349] Re: Natty: Unity launcher buttons should
    allow to
    > minimize apps, not just launch/restore
    > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:45:08 -0000
    > From: Michael <733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
    > Reply-To: Bug 733349 <733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
    >
    >
    >
    > > I'm sure that if you ask on the Ayatana mailing list they
    will be happy
    >
    >> to explain, and perhaps to discuss, the reasoning.
    >
    >
    > OK, so here we go:
    > Why isn't it possible any more to minimize windows when
    clicking a further time on the button which represents the
    application?
    > That was possible with the Gnome Panel Window Switcher, it is
    possible in the XFCE taskbar, it is possible in Cairo-Dock, it is
    possible with the MS Windows taskbar and probably many more.
    >
    > So why break users expectations?
    > You leave the experienced user in frustration while the
    inexperienced user will not be mocked by minimizing on an extra
    click he probably never makes.
    > (Showing and hiding a window quick by clicking two times on the
    icon/switcher is a very common practice.)
    >
    > I believe it's generally not a good idea that clicking on an
    interactive element of your screen leads to NOTHING.
    >
    > Some users will wonder whether their system is responding slow,
    experienced users who are used to the minimize behaviour will
    miss it.
    > (and you know, many of them are already frustrated enough
    losing Gnome 2 features.....)
    >
    >
    > So please reconsider allowing minimizing windows by clicking on
    the launcher.
    >
    >
    >
    >>
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    > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349
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    > Title:
    > Natty: Unity launcher buttons should allow to minimize apps,
    not just
    > launch/restore
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