I really don't understand this kind of reasoning.
IMHO this is a case of creating a very real problem by means of fixing
a very theoretical one. I find *consistency* a well over-used concept:
one can try to force consistent behaviour between any two given
elements in a web of many others (and in the process forget about all
the others). Let me explain myself.
The problem which has been fixed here was a non-existing one: most
people don't know the difference between an app and a window, it is an
extremely abstract concept and people just don't do their computing
like that; people are mainly totally alien to this. Most people don't
know what a file manager is. People do care though about
*predictibility*: you provoke and action and expect/hope for some
particular reaction.
One such is being able to minimize from the same place you used to
launch an app. This is -talking about consistency- just about what
always happens in the rest of the Univers, and this goes for many
version of Windows, all Linux desktops I've laid my hands on, any
other dock I've used, etc. The use is so widely spread that it should
be considered a de-facto standard. Compared to this the theoretical
problem of having multiple or single windows of an app., etc seems
irrelevant.
There is of course the option of having icons for windows no apps
(Gimp being a very obvious exception to this), there is the option of
First click: maximizes all, Second click minimazes all. There are
other options but none should include what there is now.
Just my opinion.
On 19 April 2011 15:15, Marco Biscaro <marcobiscaro2112@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:marcobiscaro2112@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Ian, I think you're right.
applications != windows
An application can have zero or more windows. I think the question
here is consistency:
If your application has just one window, when you click on the
launcher icon, this window will minimize. But if you have 3 opened
windows to that application? What should happen when you click the
launcher icon if:
1. All windows are visible?
2. Two windows are visible and one is already minimized?
3. One window is visible and two are already minimized?
4. All windows are minimized?
Considering that there is just one icon per application, I think
the best way to minimize a window is to click the minimize button
of that window. If I'm not mistaken, this why clicking on launcher
icons doesn't minimize windows.
Besides this, If you want to organize your windows, you can use
the workspaces to arrange them. And use <Super>+D to show desktop
if needed.
On Ter, 2011-04-19 at 07:30 -0600, Ian Santopietro wrote:
It was my understanding that the launcher icons only represent
apps, and since an app can't really be minimized (only windows of
that app), they don't do it. It works with Gnome 2 because the
list was a list of windows. It would be clicking on a Gnome 2
shortcut and having the windows of that app minimize.
I might be wrong here though.
On Apr 19, 2011 7:19 AM, "Bazon" <bazonbloch@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:bazonbloch@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Bug 733349] Re: Natty: Unity launcher buttons should
allow to
> minimize apps, not just launch/restore
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:45:08 -0000
> From: Michael <733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Reply-To: Bug 733349 <733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>
>
>
> > I'm sure that if you ask on the Ayatana mailing list they
will be happy
>
>> to explain, and perhaps to discuss, the reasoning.
>
>
> OK, so here we go:
> Why isn't it possible any more to minimize windows when
clicking a further time on the button which represents the
application?
> That was possible with the Gnome Panel Window Switcher, it is
possible in the XFCE taskbar, it is possible in Cairo-Dock, it is
possible with the MS Windows taskbar and probably many more.
>
> So why break users expectations?
> You leave the experienced user in frustration while the
inexperienced user will not be mocked by minimizing on an extra
click he probably never makes.
> (Showing and hiding a window quick by clicking two times on the
icon/switcher is a very common practice.)
>
> I believe it's generally not a good idea that clicking on an
interactive element of your screen leads to NOTHING.
>
> Some users will wonder whether their system is responding slow,
experienced users who are used to the minimize behaviour will
miss it.
> (and you know, many of them are already frustrated enough
losing Gnome 2 features.....)
>
>
> So please reconsider allowing minimizing windows by clicking on
the launcher.
>
>
>
>>
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> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349
>
> Title:
> Natty: Unity launcher buttons should allow to minimize apps,
not just
> launch/restore
>
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