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[Jorge Ortega <jorge.ortega111@xxxxxxxxx>]

Still more: all the indicators on the top right corner. You click one and it
shows, click again and it hides. And this is how it should be.

On 19 April 2011 21:12, Bazon <bazonbloch@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Additionally, the Dash works exactly that way:
> First click: show
> Next click: hide
>
> This works for all Dashes, the Ubuntu-Logo-Dash, the Applications-Dash and
> the Files-and-Folders-Dash - why not for the other symbols on the launcher?
>
> So much for consistency.....
>
>
>
>
> On 19.04.2011 20:41, Jorge Ortega wrote:
>
> I really don't understand this kind of reasoning.
>
> IMHO this is a case of creating a very real problem by means of fixing a
> very theoretical one. I find *consistency* a well over-used concept: one
> can try to force consistent behaviour between any two given elements in a
> web of many others (and in the process forget about all the others). Let me
> explain myself.
>
> The problem which has been fixed here was a non-existing one: most people
> don't know the difference between an app and a window, it is an extremely
> abstract concept and people just don't do their computing like that; people
> are mainly totally alien to this. Most people don't know what a file manager
> is. People do care though about *predictibility*: you provoke and action
> and expect/hope for some particular reaction.
>
> One such is being able to minimize from the same place you used to launch
> an app. This is -talking about consistency- just about what always  happens
> in the rest of the Univers, and this goes for many version of Windows, all
> Linux desktops I've laid my hands on, any other dock I've used, etc. The use
> is so widely spread that it should be considered a de-facto standard.
> Compared to this the theoretical problem of having multiple or single
> windows of an app., etc seems irrelevant.
>
> There is of course the option of having icons for windows no apps (Gimp
> being a very obvious exception to this), there is the option of First click:
> maximizes all, Second click minimazes all. There are other options but none
> should include what there is now.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
>
> On 19 April 2011 15:15, Marco Biscaro <marcobiscaro2112@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>  Ian, I think you're right.
>>
>> applications != windows
>>
>> An application can have zero or more windows. I think the question here is
>> consistency:
>>
>> If your application has just one window, when you click on the launcher
>> icon, this window will minimize. But if you have 3 opened windows to that
>> application? What should happen when you click the launcher icon if:
>>
>> 1. All windows are visible?
>> 2. Two windows are visible and one is already minimized?
>> 3. One window is visible and two are already minimized?
>> 4. All windows are minimized?
>>
>> Considering that there is just one icon per application, I think the best
>> way to minimize a window is to click the minimize button of that window. If
>> I'm not mistaken, this why clicking on launcher icons doesn't minimize
>> windows.
>>
>> Besides this, If you want to organize your windows, you can use the
>> workspaces to arrange them. And use <Super>+D to show desktop if needed.
>>
>>
>> On Ter, 2011-04-19 at 07:30 -0600, Ian Santopietro wrote:
>>
>> It was my understanding that the launcher  icons only represent apps, and
>> since an app can't really be minimized (only windows of that app), they
>> don't do it.  It works with Gnome 2 because the list was a list of windows.
>> It would be clicking on a Gnome 2 shortcut and having the windows of that
>> app minimize.
>>
>> I might be wrong here though.
>>
>>  On Apr 19, 2011 7:19 AM, "Bazon" <bazonbloch@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> > Subject: [Bug 733349] Re: Natty: Unity launcher buttons should allow to
>> > minimize apps, not just launch/restore
>> > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:45:08 -0000
>> > From: Michael <733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Reply-To: Bug 733349 <733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > I'm sure that if you ask on the Ayatana mailing list they will be
>> happy
>> >
>> >> to explain, and perhaps to discuss, the reasoning.
>> >
>> >
>> > OK, so here we go:
>> > Why isn't it possible any more to minimize windows when clicking a
>> further time on the button which represents the application?
>> > That was possible with the Gnome Panel Window Switcher, it is possible
>> in the XFCE taskbar, it is possible in Cairo-Dock, it is possible with the
>> MS Windows taskbar and probably many more.
>> >
>> > So why break users expectations?
>> > You leave the experienced user in frustration while the inexperienced
>> user will not be mocked by minimizing on an extra click he probably never
>> makes.
>> > (Showing and hiding a window quick by clicking two times on the
>> icon/switcher is a very common practice.)
>> >
>> > I believe it's generally not a good idea that clicking on an interactive
>> element of your screen leads to NOTHING.
>> >
>> > Some users will wonder whether their system is responding slow,
>> experienced users who are used to the minimize behaviour will miss it.
>> > (and you know, many of them are already frustrated enough losing Gnome 2
>> features.....)
>> >
>> >
>> > So please reconsider allowing minimizing windows by clicking on the
>> launcher.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> > --
>> >>
>> >>
>> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
>> > of the bug.
>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733349
>> >
>> > Title:
>> > Natty: Unity launcher buttons should allow to minimize apps, not just
>> > launch/restore
>> >
>> > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/733349/+subscribe
>> >
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