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[Niklas Rosenqvist <niklas.s.rosenqvist@xxxxxxxxx>]

I can't give any response to that since it's not really my area :) But I
just wanted to inform that I filled out a feature request! I hope it is in
the right forum:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/776485

2011/5/3 Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>

> In that case, maybe taking another cue from Android would be apt. Don't
> remove applications from RAM unless they aren't running. Then, automatically
> remove older ones to make room for newly launched apps. That might help
> improve performance on older systems anyway.
>
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 09:27, Niklas Rosenqvist <
> niklas.s.rosenqvist@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I personally like to know what's running and what's not. That way I can
>> terminate unwanted applications in case I should need more RAM or reduce the
>> load on the CPU. By the user knowing what applications are running you give
>> him the freedom to do what he wants with them. I don't think it should be
>> hidden from the user.
>>
>>
>> 2011/5/3 Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>> I would argue that a user shouldn't need to know what's running. If they
>>> want to work with an application, they switch to it, running or not, and it
>>> comes back as they left it, running or not. It's a distinctly mobile thing
>>> to do, and it is probably not technically feasible right now, but think
>>> about a smartphone. Applications never really "Close" (or they shouldn't.
>>> Think Android Browser or Music Player). Most web browsers have already
>>> implemented this in some form or another as a "restore my session" option
>>> (or similar), and it's one of the first things I set.
>>>
>>> Maybe there is some way to get a framework for saving an application's
>>> state and using that to restore, providing this functionality to any
>>> application? Saving the application state as a swapfile maybe?
>>>
>>>  On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 08:54, Niklas Rosenqvist <
>>> niklas.s.rosenqvist@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Ed Lin please review the comments and answers I've provided:
>>>>
>>>> "You can't see what's running at a glance without hovering the
>>>> launcher. Why? Does it make sense for the user? Does it increase
>>>>  usability? I doubt so, it's just for aesthetic reasons."
>>>>
>>>> There you just pointed to the exact problem I'm trying to address! If
>>>> you look at the first frame of the mockup you see the current setup, the
>>>> programs that are running have an illuminated background together with the
>>>> arrow on the left side. But that illuminated background is hard to see due
>>>> to the icon set.
>>>>
>>>> "Icons are completely desaturated, this makes finding what you are
>>>> looking for more difficult. Only shape, not color is different, now
>>>>  imagine working on a glossy screen outdoors."
>>>>
>>>> Usually, at least for me, people know the location of a launcher without
>>>> seeing it. E.g. I know that "home" is on top, then comes firefox,
>>>> thunderbird, liferea feed reader, playonlinux, banshee, etc. And the dream
>>>> situation would to have this as a configurable option to turn this feature
>>>> on or off, depending on if you think it's required with your icon set.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  "I think both can be solved with one solution: make the icons
>>>>  darker/more transparent but keep the color."
>>>>
>>>> Together with the above setting for turning this feature on or off a
>>>> simple slider could be implemented to set how many percent the icons should
>>>> be grayed out.
>>>>
>>>>  "However I'd reserve that for hidden applications and instead add a
>>>>  glow effect like GNOME 3 for running applications."
>>>>
>>>> ... That is exactly how it is implemented right now ... haven't you even
>>>> tried tweaking Unity with CCSM?
>>>>
>>>> 2011/5/3 Ed Lin <edlin280@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist
>>>>>
>>>>> <niklas.s.rosenqvist@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> > Here I have the finished mockup of how this configurable feature
>>>>> could
>>>>> > work. For the future, what is the best way to share images with the
>>>>> > ayatana mailing list? Is it by attaching the image to the email or
>>>>> > upload it like I've done now?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Here is the link:
>>>>> > http://i.imgur.com/bnIAE.png
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> Two things:
>>>>> You can't see what's running at a glance without hovering the
>>>>> launcher. Why? Does it make sense for the user? Does it increase
>>>>> usability? I doubt so, it's just for aesthetic reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> Icons are completely desaturated, this makes finding what you are
>>>>> looking for more difficult. Only shape, not color is different, now
>>>>> imagine working on a glossy screen outdoors.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think both can be solved with one solution: make the icons
>>>>> darker/more transparent but keep the color.
>>>>> However I'd reserve that for hidden applications and instead add a
>>>>> glow effect like GNOME 3 for running applications. Actually, I'm not
>>>>> convinced the visibility of running apps needs to be improved at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> The whole point of a dock is to blur the line between starting apps
>>>>> and switching to apps (abstract it away from the user). If you
>>>>> disagree with this decision the dock isn't for you (install tint2 or
>>>>> something).
>>>>> Or remove all icons from the launcher and exclusively use the dash for
>>>>> launching.
>>>>>
>>>>
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