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[Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>]

The Gnome 3 (Oneiric and Precise) version of Ubuntu Tweak is "alpha 0.6" isn't it? With Precise being LTS almost nothing will be included unless it's either stable (meaning well tested) or very much needed to add stability.

Besides that I'd point to you saying, "why don't we fix it
    and include it". Who is we? Canonical?

Ubuntu Tweak is not a Canonical project so why would you expect their devs to invest time in improving something that's not part of the Unity project?

SABDFL made it clear as far back as introducing 'notify-osd' that GUI modification was not only undesirable, but NOT where the project was headed.

But, in keeping with FOSS principles, he has no objection to others doing as they wish with Ubuntu's code ;^) 

Hence the ease of adding many apps via PPA's supported through Launchpad which is made available only due to the generosity of SABDFL.

What's the problem?

--- On Sat, 12/17/11, Roland Taylor <rolandixor@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Roland Taylor <rolandixor@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu Tweak
To: "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "ayatana" <ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 2:16 PM


  

    
  
  
    If Ubuntu-Tweak is broken in that manner, then why don't we fix it
    and include it. I still don't see how your arguments against
    inclusion are truly valid. For one thing, we can disable the
    Computer Janitor plugin by default. Furthermore, IIRC, it does not
    work the same way as the previous one that cause so much confusion
    and damage for users.

    

    Secondly, as for scrolling on items, while that is a valid (if
    unlikely) problem, the solution is simply to put a button next to
    options that can scroll that will cause for the option to be reset.
    That's a super simple fix (it's the same thing you get in CCSM,
    which IMO should also be included by default after getting some love
    to make it look better; and should just simply be invisible to users
    in the menu by default).

    

    If you ask me, the only reason why they are not being included is
    because of the previous problems with space on the CD, which is now
    a joke because we've switched to DVDs and USBs.

    
      
        
          
            I don't think it's
              particularly true that, "Ubuntu Tweak and similar tools
              (concerning Unity) will not break anything".

              

              Ubuntu Tweak still offers "computer janitor" which has
              been known to confuse many end users, and even further if
              you "hover" the mouse pointer in the wrong area in some
              "tweak areas" and "scroll" you can easily change things
              with no obvious way to restore defaults.

              

              Don't get me wrong, it's a great tool. I love using it to
              play with themes in Gnome 3, regardless of DE, but it's
              far from mature enough to be included in the repos.

              

              --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Roland Taylor <rolandixor@xxxxxxxxx>
              wrote:

              

                From: Roland Taylor <rolandixor@xxxxxxxxx>

                Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu Tweak

                To: ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

                Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 10:17 PM

                

                I respectfully disagree. The
                  options that can be tweaked from Ubuntu Tweak and
                  similar tools (concerning Unity) will not break
                  anything, and for the most part can be changed on the
                  fly (without restarting that is).

                  

                  There is no reason not to include such a tool by
                  default.

                  

                  On 12/14/2011 05:00 PM, Ian Santopietro wrote:

                  > I think the theory here is that users who want to
                  do it generally know (or can find out) how to install
                  these tools, and those who could break something won't
                  have the option visible.

                  > 

                  > -- Ian Santopietro

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                  > On Wed 14 Dec 2011 01:27:05 PM MST, Christian
                  Rupp wrote:

                  >> The options to change unity are very rarely
                  installed by default...

                  >> Wouldn't it be nice to implement the tweaks
                  options for apperance

                  >> somewhere in the system settings?

                  >> 

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