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[Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>]

That's better, but I still feel like it's putting emphasis on the wrong
parts of the system. It gives the impression the the login screen is what
controls everything else, which clearly isn't actually the case.

The login box sliding off the screen doesn't place any undue emphasis on
any particular part of the system and it isn't as misleading as the zoom
effect would be. It also doesn't require any advanced compositing, making
it better suited for running on lower end hardware, and provides a visual
experience that would be less jarring.

--Ian Santopietro

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On Feb 17, 2012 8:57 AM, "Evan Huus" <eapache@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> My understanding is that the animation would feel like a zoom, as if the
> user's desktop was contained somehow within the password box, and the
> screen was zooming in to see it. I'm not sure how well it would work in
> practice, but it's an interesting metaphor to explore. Logout, conversely,
> would have the screen feel like zooming out back to the log-in screen.
>
> Evan
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> How does having the box expand and fill the screen convey that
>> everything is accessible? The same message could be conveyed by
>> sliding the box across the screen. At any speed, the expanding is
>> superfluous. What good will expanding it do if it disappears after
>> that? Obviously I haven't actually seen it yet, but I feel like that
>> would convey more issues with the software than not having any
>> animations at all.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 08:09, cmaglothin <cmaglothin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > I think that the idea of the login box expanding to fit the screen is a
>> > rather clever and simple visual metaphor. When the screen is locked, no
>> one
>> > can interact with the device other than through said login box, but
>> once the
>> > password is entered, the box expands and fills the screen, showing that
>> > everything is now accessible to the user.
>> >
>> > But you do make a good point. If this were to be implemented one would
>> have
>> > to find the perfect speed at which the animation should move. Too fast
>> and
>> > you either miss it entirely or it looks like a screen error. Too slow
>> and it
>> > will appear as if the system is running slowly or hanging.
>> >
>> > As long as a good speed is found though, I feel that this could be a
>> nice
>> > animation.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Would be necessary to have the login box fill the entire screen? That
>> >> could be jarring if too quick, and if it's going to immediately fade to
>> >> transparency, it seems a little bit fluffy. What about sliding the box
>> off
>> >> of the screen from left to right?
>> >>
>> >> The user has full control of the hardware from the time that the
>> greeter
>> >> is displayed forward. I'm not sure we need to let him ,now that this
>> is the
>> >> case.
>> >>
>> >> On Feb 17, 2012 6:42 AM, "Jonathan Meek" <shrouded.cloud@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Thanks Jonathan for your ideas here - they're the most detailed ones
>> so
>> >>>> far! The animation bit I'm struggling to understand though…
>> >>>>
>> >>> So, to help clarify, my idea, which is only a rough idea and needs
>> >>> working is something like the following case for the user logging in:
>> >>>
>> >>> The user hits enter after their password.
>> >>> The login box would expand to fill the screen (to signify that that
>> user
>> >>> is assuming direct control of the hardware.)
>> >>> The "expanded" login box overlay would fade to complete transparency
>> to
>> >>> show the desktop.
>> >>> From there, the top panel would slide into place.
>> >>>
>> >>> The key to this animation I've suggested, however, is that it is
>> quick.
>> >>> We can't waste the user's time with the transition, but the small
>> touches
>> >>> still count no matter how quick they are. (Like the minimization
>> animation:
>> >>> very quick, but still discernible).
>> >>>
>> >>> Now, as for logging out, it would sort of be the reverse of the above:
>> >>>
>> >>> The screen fades in a black, semi-transparent overlay.
>> >>> During this fade, the menu bar and launcher slide out of place
>> >>> When this overlay is at the same opacity of the login box from
>> LightDM,
>> >>> the overlay will condense or collapse down into the shape of the
>> login box.
>> >>>
>> >>> This condensing animation is to show that control of the computer has
>> >>> been locked and can only be accessed from that box.
>> >>>
>> >>> As you can see-- if I've made it any clearer-- the idea is still in
>> flux
>> >>> and needs lots of refinement for other use cases (Such as dealing
>> with the
>> >>> transition to a locked screen: do you do the logout behaviour and
>> then fade
>> >>> the screen out or do you just fade to black and have the login screen
>> appear
>> >>> when the user tries to unlock?)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I guess if get the right people to collaborate on Bootup <-> Greeter
>> <->
>> >>>> Unity handovers, and get their time, we can resolve this in a future
>> >>>> release. Meanwhile, we could elaborate the design – including the
>> logout and
>> >>>> power off sequences.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I think this is the most important thing. We've long since past
>> timeframe
>> >>> for ideas for Precise and we've Wayland on its way (which I need to
>> do some
>> >>> research on to see if it can handle the compositing necessary for this
>> >>> idea). I hope, if nothing else, this post will help to point out
>> small edges
>> >>> that are still exposed that we can't ignore.  After all, when
>> everything
>> >>> else is getting so much polish, it makes the unpolished items stand
>> out all
>> >>> the more.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for reading, if anything is still unclear, I'm still more than
>> >>> happy to answer any questions. I will attempt to see if I can pull
>> together
>> >>> some time to work on a gif to demonstrate my words.
>> >>>
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