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Re: Religion in the Ubuntu namespace


I'm with you, I think exactly the same. Except it was a bit naive from you
to think you could make an old and extremely religious person let off her
believes, especially because of rational discussions, it just can't work.
Anyway I don't think you have to leave, I didn't see you do any wrong to
anyone here, neither attacking anyone for their believes. The religious
ones just have to understand this is not the place to do proselytism.

Le 11 mai 2012 07:49, "Jo-Erlend Schinstad" <joerlend.schinstad@xxxxxxxxx>
a écrit :

> I know there's work in progress on the Code of Conduct, but I wanted to
> address this topic here, because this is the only place in the Ubuntu
> Context I've ever had this problem. In order for everyone to properly
> understand the importance, I'll explain very briefly – and to the entire
> community – why this is so important to me and why it makes me want to
> step back from the community. But I primarily want to explain why I'm
> here and why it's important that people like myself don't go away –
> though everyone seems to want us to.
> I begin reacting to religion a long time before my rational reasoning
> begins.
> Religion is such a strong topic for me. My grandmother was brought up as
> extremely christian. And she's been a very powerful presense in my
> family. On my fathers side, everyone's non-religious, I think. But my
> grandmother was taught that everything nice was evil. Music, for
> instance. And I'm a musician. And cards. I'm a card artist. And games.
> I'm a pool player. Mostly everything I love, she was taught, is evil.
> However, the final years of her life, after my mother died, she was very
> lonely. And I spend large amounts of time with her, talking about life
> and death. And it was so important to me that my efforts to talk
> honestly to her, didn't affect her beliefs. That really took a
> commitment. Because I was always confident that I would be able to
> convince her that her beliefs didn't make any sense, but I didn't want
> to take it away from her - even subconciously. . I respect my elders and
> their religions. It doesn't mean they're right.
> I've spent a very large part of my life talking about religion – all of
> the big ones – though I've never been one myself. I can argue with
> priests or mullahs or anyone. It is extremely interesting to me,
> understanding what makes people think the way they do. Whether they're
> different because of age, religion, sex or sanity, really doesn't matter
> that much to me, as long as I truly understand. That's also why I want
> to engage in the way people use computers. Because I don't only consider
> them as tools. I consider them as a new part of our reality. In my inner
> mind, I call it the hypersynapsis. I think it's bigger than computers
> and bigger than the internet, but definitely not bigger than humans.
> Ubuntu was never sold to me. I joined because it immediately clicked
> with all of my strange personal vectors. I fight very hard for Ubuntu,
> but I also defend Microsoft – simply because much of the things people
> are saying, isn't true.
> I hope I never have to defend my beliefs in any Ubuntu channel ever
> again. Because it's the one and only time I do. And it feels wrong to
> me, that I should be forced out of the community because of my
> non-religious beliefs – weird as they may be.
> Jo-Erlend Schinstad
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