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[cmaglothin <cmaglothin@xxxxxxxxx>]

A couple points I would like to raise.

First, if we do end up keeping the "Open with [default application]" and
"Open With," the former should just be shortened to Open. I am not arguing
for retaining it, just saying that this should be a change if it is
retained.

Second, I would like to argue for the removal for the "Rename..."
altogether. This is a duplicated function. A file can be renamed by
clicking on the "Properties" entry and changing the name in there. BUT, one
must beware that changing or removing the file extension here, will change
its extension. With this, I would also like to say that the entirety of the
Properties dialogue should be redesigned to be made less... horrible. But
that is probably better placed in its own thread as it is just a mess.

Third, I would like to correct you when you say that OS X has a "Share..."
entry. The closest it has "New Email Attachment."   Where this comes from
is Android. One can share media from most apps with any other apps that
have hooked into it. This is one of the great features of Android.

And finally, I would like to expand on your "Share..." idea. You only
listed Dropbox, U1 and generally OS X's iCloud. In addition to this,
sharing with Twitter, Facebook, and other social sites should be just as
easy. If I want to share a photo to my stream, why should I have to open
anything else? Why not post directly from the file?

Otherwise, great idea. I would love to see more work in simplifying other
areas throughout the Ubuntu experience.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Jonathan Meek <shrouded.cloud@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Someone asked me to get some info to them about Nautilus' menu when right
> clicking an image file, this is what I was confronted with:
>
> Open with Image Viewer
> -------------------------------
> Open With >
> -------------------------------
> Cut
> Copy
> -------------------------------
> Make Link
> Rename...
> Copy To >
> Move To >
> -------------------------------
> Move to Trash...
> -------------------------------
> Resize Icon...
> Restore Icon's Original Size
> -------------------------------
> Revert to Previous Version...
> Compress...
> Ubuntu One >
> Send To...
> -------------------------------
> Properties
>
> This is entirely too complex, especially for a simple image. And, though
> it has some extra items from being a file on the desktop, it's STILL not
> the longest context menu of my desktop files. Let's take this line-by-line.
>
> *"Open with [default program here]"/"Open With >"
> Why do we have these two items? If the user wants to launch with the
> default program they can just launch it by normal clicks. The expanded
> "open with >" option is all that is really necessary at this point in time
> in case a user wants to launch the file/program with a non-default action.
>
> *Cut/Copy
> Not much to say here, need to keep an eye on where there is duplication of
> effort, however.
>
> *Make Link
> I would argue against the need for this item, but can see its usefulness.
> I say keep it for now, but keep an eye on how useful it remains.
>
> *Rename
> Necessary, but same deal as Cut/Copy.
>
> *"Copy To >"/"Move To >"
> These two are a mild convenience that I don't think is worth the wasted
> space. Besides, I can't, as a user, define a new place to add to these
> categories. And that picture I right-clicked on? No option to send it to
> /home/ME/pictures, so these items sort of explain themselves out of the
> picture in my eyes. I quick drop to /home or /home/me/Desktop isn't really
> worth those two lines. (Also, weird bug I noticed: for some reason the move
> to sub menu was unshadowed and caused the right-click menu to expand. Not
> sure if just me or what.)
>
> *Move to Trash...
> I couldn't live without it.
>
> *"Resize Icon"/"Restore Icon's Original Size" [DESKTOP ONLY]
> Why do these even exist? Nautilus' desktop is already unruly enough
> without having this absolutely useless feature. How many people actually
> resize any icons on their desktop? (Another bug: After testing what Resize
> did, I went to click the restore option which appeared insensitive, but
> allowed me to click it anyway. Will need repro.)
>
> *Revert to Previous Version...
> Will someone please tell me why this option is there for me? I do NOT have
> Deja Dup set up. Yet it's decided to hook into my menus and ask me if I
> want to revert a file that it isn't versioning? I think Deja Dup needs to
> have some thinking of when to expose such functions to users instead of
> just sticking it in because it is there.
>
> *Compress...
> Useful in my eyes. Would love others input on this one.
>
> *"Ubuntu One >"
> So singularly focused. Are we proposing with this behaviour everyone
> should just drop their own items into the menu? If I've a dropbox and U1
> account, will my menu be another usless item? OS X, from what I can tell
> handles this situation much more gracefully with its "Share..." option. I
> think it would be much better to have this and have programs hook into that
> instead of populating my menus. Share covers the gamut from social to cloud.
>
> *Send To...
> I'll be honest, i've never used this and upon clicking it to test what it
> was, I still have no idea what the hell it is. It can't be too terribly
> useful? Input needed.
>
> *Properties
> Axe it! Oh, wait, nevermind.
>
> Whew, quite a bit there... What are we looking at now?
>
> Open With >
> ---------------
> Cut
> Copy
> Move to Trash
> ---------------
> Make Link...
> Rename
> ---------------
> Compress...
> ---------------
> Share...
> Properties
>
> Fewer submenus, less noise, more usefulness. Of course, with the
> "Share..." option requiring more work than less, I doubt that one will come
> to fruition, though I do find it much more graceful. I'd appreciate
> feedback on those areas my post has been lacking. And before we start in on
> the "I use this feature, so it has to stay" think first if we have it
> elsewhere, how many others will really use it (hence why Compress is an
> iffy option), how hard it is to do elsewhere, versus cluttering the menu
> further, etc.
>
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