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[Omar B. <estelar57@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Agree Gnome is not making it easy for others at this time.

from this article:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE0ODg

" The "bad things" for GNOME they pointed out was their focus on the 
traditional desktop, lack of direction and vision, stop energy, lack of 
corporate involvement, fragmentation / freeloaders, limited resources, a
 bad developer story, and brain drain / losing users. "

Gnome developers also stated that they are planning gnomeOS for 2014...

So yes it might be time as others stated to start taking some longer term decisions and not just short term ones.

Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:10:48 -0400
From: shrouded.cloud@xxxxxxxxx
To: motorslav@xxxxxxxxx
CC: unity-design@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Unity-design] What do we do with the file manager?

Nautilus is just the latest thing the eyes have fallen on. It's really indicative of the bigger picture... Take what I wrote here, for instance: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/ubuntu-design-micro-vs-macro 


NONE of the next generation GNOME applications are going to fit in with Ubuntu. We can keep the discussion on Nautilus, but Empathy feels out of place now. So do the games. Are we going to "fix" one because it axed a few features that they didn't feel were being/could be maintained well and leave the rest to stick out like sore thumbs? They have their own design language just like Mozilla or elementary. This is the time to push for first-party default applications. At the very least to replace divergent GNOME applications. But that requires an HIG first, which Ubuntu doesn't have. 


My cries have fallen to mute listeners (of the ones that have the opportunity to do something about this). For all we know, they may be doing just what I say, though I doubt it. 

Canonical may want to surprise us, but not on this one. We need an open discussion like we used to have of old on this. Continuing on like this isn't an issue is not the way to go. We need to lay out the plan to fix it NOW to stop all the continual "oh, look at this app" EVERY cycle. 


And while we're at it, we can tackle the tangential toolkit proliferation issue.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Georgi Karavasilev <motorslav@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, this has already been discussed like countless of time already and stuff, however a decision has not been reached, which is bit worrying. 
Lets face it - there are a lot of choices out there, but none of them are perfect.
Nautilus 3.4 is the safest bet out there (feature and stability wise), however it has that horrid chopped down right sided toolbar and the back and forward on the right and neither of those two are even remotely good looking.

Nautilus 3.6 is pretty, however it is terrible chopped down feature wise and doesn't fit Ubuntu and Unity at all (super-menu and no menubar, hence no appmenu => no HUD, light toolbar (and all other apps have dark ones).

Nemo is the new kid on the block and that's pretty much all that's known about it.Marlin is the prettiest file manager there is out there, however it does lack stability (and maybe a features - MAYBE) and needs a lot manpower.

last, but not least there is this patched version of Nautilus 3.4 - http://www.webupd8.org/2012/08/install-solusos-patched-nautilus-in-ubuntu-1204.html, that could as well do the trick. It has full-width toolbar and back and back and forward on left.

Personally I am in favour of investing time and manpower in Marlin. Surely that's biting the bullet and it is bit risky, but it could pay off big time :)So, what do you say? :P



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