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Re: Kill The Sort-By Button
On 11 December 2012 20:55, Thibaut Brandscheid <randaltor@xxxxxx> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Josh Strawbridge
> <holyknightjoshua@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> just because an application ships with ubuntu doesn't mean that ubuntu has
>> anything to do with actually working on the program.
> I'm aware about that. The reason why I post it here is because I think it's
> an general UX design problem.
>> personally, i'm against the idea.
>> it is true that i rarely use them and do ignore them for the most part but
>> when i do use them they're very helpful and serve their purpose well.
> I have nothing against the sort functionality, I do think that the current
> design - how a user can sort content - is wrong from an UX perspective.
>> i'd hate to have a file manager or any music player without options to
>> sort by this or that.
>> i don't use them with my e-mail but i do sort important mail that i need
>> to keep into different folders for generally the same purpose.
> The question is, are you part of the main user group Ubuntu is targeting? As
> I understand Ubuntu, it tries to be an OS for every one and because most
> users are not computer experts the UI and basic functionality has to be
> simple (not stupid simple, functionality simple). Sorting is nice, yes, but
> should it be achieved the way it is currently?
As well as being simple for a basic user facilities that more
sophisticated users need must be provided. Next you will be
suggesting removing split screen and tree view from Nautilus. No-one
would ever suggest that.
>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Gabriel Pettier
>> <gabriel.pettier@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I would hate this too, even if you seldomly use it, doesn't need you won't
>> find it infuriating that > it went away when you'll actually need it. I'm
>> pretty sure people would hate to have them
> Yes, we need the sort functionality, but do we need this one-click-buttons
> in the "front UI"?
> If you would have to go to the settings, or would have to right click to
> unlock and make the Sort-By buttons visible and editable, would that be such
> a big loss?
That is a different suggestion to your original idea, which was to
remove them completely. I would have nothing against the idea of
being able to disable them. But you also need a means of specifying
what the default sort is, so this is adding significantly to the
> How often are the buttons used?
Most days by me, for sorting columns in nautilus for example. It
would be painful to have to go to the preferences to change it. Often
I switch to date sorting to see which files have changed then back to
sorting by name.
> Do they represent a key functionality in an application?
> How much space do they take?
> They use horizontally quite much space (horizontal space is really valuable
I don't see how they take space in nautilus, or do you think the
column headings are not necessary? They certainly do not take up any