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[kaputtnik <somal@xxxxxxxx>]

> > In general i think redirects are not really a good thing at all, because it
> may lead into many redirects after some time.
> 
> While I agree here, they are also sorta required: if some external site links
> to a site in our Wiki, we want this link to stay valid forever ideally. So we
> have to track renames (or completely forbid them) and forward to the new page.

Forbid renaming isn't a good thing also. If one wants to put the content of an article under a new name, he has to create then a new article and copy and paste the content from the old article to the new one. So all changesets are gone and reverting to the previous situation is not possible anymore.

What should we do with following situation? An existing example:

1. https://wl.widelands.org/wiki/Description/
2. https://wl.widelands.org/wiki/GameHelp/

2. is a redirect to 1. But it is currently possible to create a new article GameHelp:

https://wl.widelands.org/wiki/edit/GameHelp/

When saving this new article, all old redirects are gone, respectively all Links to GameHelp open then the new article. Should creating of articles prevented if a redirect exists? On the long run this would mean the available amount of article names shrinks, because some articles reserve two (or more) names.

> About the (internal) redirects: Is it not in our power to fix all internal
> links that linked to the old page into links that link to the new page? I
> mean, we can just make a new revision for each page algorithmically that just
> does the renames. No user interaction is needed.

If we want redirects to stay forever, this isn't needed, isn't it? And reverting to a previous revision put then the old links in again. But we may need such a functionality also for  bug 1595294 "Get rid of wikiwordification".

This is all a bit complicated to me... because our redirects are some kind of "soft-redirects": To determine a redirect the code looks just for the requested name in all changesets. If it is found the corresponding article get opened and the String "(redirected from ...)" is shown. There is no real 'redirect-object' and i have trouble to abstract the redirects.  I think other wikis handle redirects in another way: If a renaming is done a new article with the old name is created and the content is the redirect with a special syntax. So there are two existing articles (the article it self, and the redirect to it), whereas we have only one.

See e.g.: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Moving_a_page


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